either this: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=DznhevomYZ3hbbtDOs3rcbUrwExlP9LPfok=?ProductSKU=DCRDVD101&Dept=dcc_DICamcorders&CategoryName=dcc_DICamcorders_DVDHandycamCamcorders
or http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=DznhevomYZ3hbbtDOs3rcbUrwExlP9LPfok=?ProductSKU=DCRHC20&Dept=dcc_DICamcorders&CategoryName=dcc_DICamcorders_MiniDVHandycamCamcorders
i just really want a camcorder.
Check Circuit City, ask about the model you're interested in...see if it's available in "open box".
Open box= same warranty as new + Huge price break.
i like it but it isn't dvd format is it?