this is so dumb. "baseball fans are passionate about their sport." football fans are just as if not more "passionate" about football. that's why people paint their body's their teams color, or get tattoos of their favorite team's logo.
the football season is only 16 games. 16! do you realize how amped i get when i get to see the first football game of the season?!?!?! no. you can't possibly comprehend how absolutely psyched i am when i see the players run out onto the field. when i see the perfectly green grass, just waiting to be turned into mud.
sure it's only 16 games. 16 weeks. but that's what makes it so exciting. every game counts. no body gets lazy. in baseball, it seems like those guys could fall asleep, and it wouldn't make a difference (wake me up when it's my turn to bat). and because football players exert themselves to the absolute max week in and week out, they can only play a small amount of games. that's the reason baseball season NEVER ENDS!!! because the players don't do anything.
i don't care that not as many people like football as baseball. i really could care less about what the majority of america thinks. the majority of america voted for george bush. those are the same retards that are buying all of those baseball tickets.
yankees games have 50,000 people their every night. giants games have well over 80,000 fans at every game. giants season tickets are sold out for the next 80 years. the green bay packers season tickets are sold out for something like 150 years. i bet that one fan at a football game makes more noise than 20 fans at a baseball game. the crowed gets so loud at some football games, the players can't even hear inside the huddle.
football is the time of year when miracles happen. in baseball, if you have seen one double play, you have seen them all. nothing truly incredible ever really happens. with football, anything could happen. football for me is like a drug. and im sure most other football fans would agree with me. but if you can't then we will just have to agree to disagree.
i agree with some of this although some of it is said in ignorance to baseball.
i like football better by far though. although i do "get" baseball. it just doesn't do it for me like football does
Hold on a second buddy. Do you notice baseball players get hurt? Some guys play hurt all year. 162 games is ALOT! They may not be slamming their bodies into other bodies on a regular basis, but there are collisions all the time. I went to a Mets game last year and watched Nick Johnson of the Nationals break his leg landing weird diving for a ball. There may be more physical exertion in football, but it takes more talent to play baseball. Most football players are huge and can't move that well besides the guys who receive the ball or the quarterback. Watch a guy like Jose Reyes play defense, stretch a double into a triple, or steal a base. It's the most exciting thing you can watch other than a guy with tremendous speed running into an end zone.
As far as "passion" goes, I think JP is saying the history is much richer than any other sport. Generation after generation in this country has its roots with baseball. Football has not become what it is now up until recently. Nowadays baseball is just a regional game. In the northeast it is the most popular sport. You go down south or the midwest and its all about football. And I guess you haven't been in the Yankee Stadium bleechers with the "Bleecher Creatures". They are the most insane fans I've ever seen.
But we all have our likes and dislikes. To each their own.
i can understand this except for the part about most guys are huge and can't move well... that's definitely not true
that's one of the things that makes football crazy, you have these giant guys that are strong and fast too. for instance i remember warren sapp when he came in the league, here is his profile from nfl.com
4.83 in the 40-yard dash … 520-pound bench press … 700-pound squat; … 410-pound power clean … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-9 broad jump … 32-inch arm length … 9¼-inch hands … Right-handed.
4.83 seconds in the 40?!? that's insane. i doubt i can run it that fast and the guy has 130 pounds on me. plus look how strong he is. and there's lots of guys like that
A lot of these defensive linemen have guts that stick out a mile. There's no way they run faster than me or you. And that's also what you get when you are on steroids.
HA! IG-NANT! you really no othing about football. plus there is way more talk in the media about baseball players on steroids than there is about football players. and at least if the football players get caught, they get in trouble (either fined, suspended or both). in baseball they just talk about weather or not the actually did it for a few years and nothing really ever happens with it until someone writes a book about 5 years later.
How am I ignorant? There's no way a fat guy like that is outrunning me. I could see a guy who is all muscle killing me, but not someone pushing 400 pounds.
Football just isn't in the limelight about it. I'm sure it is rampant. HGH (human growth hormone) is undetectable as well as many other things. I'm sure plenty of players in the NFL are on it.
they can run faster than you... some of them are out of shape but not the good players. these guys run miles and miles every day. Check out this guy, walter thomas... 6'4", almost 400 pounds and he can do a backflip! i'd like to see you try that buddy
I'm not talking about guys who are in good shape. I'm talking about the guys with huge pot bellies. I watched a guy with one run, and a turtle could run faster than he did. He somehow ended up with the ball and was making a run for the end zone. A guy in much better shape ran from half a field away and tackled him. Was the most hilarious thing I ever saw.
yeah, but that big fat guy can still run faster than you.
Uh... No.
uh...yes. he definately can. and not even because he is that fast, but just because you are fat and slow.
I'm fast enough to chase you down and break your neck.
HAHA! you wish. even if i did let you catch me, im a crazy little son of a gun. you would have a tough time with that.
hahaha.... you guys are so retarded
Haha... It's like sibling rivalry and we aren't even brothers. I love it!
i know, you have more of a rivalry with alex than i do. i feel left out!
Haha.. Ian laughed at us one day at the Hall about how we treat each other.
believe it or not, they do. watch the nfl combine if you don't believe me.
and the nfl has a way stricter policy and testing against steroids than mlb. THAT is a fact.
yes to each his own. just don't say that it takes more talent to play baseball than football. it just simply isn't true.
"Most football players are huge and can't move that well." this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. there is nobady on a football team that isn't athletic. even the guys that are over three hundred pounds can run faster than the average person. warren sapp the famous defensive tackel, who is well over 300 pounds can run the 40 in under 5 seconds. that's probably faster than a lot of baseball players. the reason baseball players get hurt is because they are not well conditioned. they are the most unathletic athletes on the planet.
Hitting a spherical object with a cylindrical one is harder than anything in sports. Sorry, the laws of physics disagree with you.
Uh, Jose Reyes? Duh! Faster than any guy you can throw at him. And who is out of shape in baseball? David Wells? There are a select few who are fat bums.
just shut up about your stupid physics. nobody cares. give me 100 times to hit a baseball thrown by a professional pitcher, and i bet i will eventually hit one, and i ma not even a professional athlete.
LOL!! 1 for 100. That's hardly pro material. Haha...
what? that's not the point, moron. anyway, i would bet money that cant run the forty yard dash in under 6 seconds.
I probably can't run it in 10 right now. I'd be hobbling. I never was fast anyway.
i bet deion sanders in his prime was faster... they said he was the fastest man on the planet.
i bet michael vick is faster
He runs to first in just over 3 seconds. Distance, 30 yards.
more people dont like baseball...actually i admitted that. i think espn did a survey of sports fans, and like 94% of sports fans were NFL fans, while around 82% were MLB fans. and also, the yankees would probably average more than 50,000 if they had a larger stadium. plus, when you only have 8 home games and all on the weekend, its not that difficult to generate sellout crowds. try doing that when you have 81 games! also, there is even less room for laziness in baseball, when you play every single day. 162 games is a grueling schedule.
not that we all have to agree on this, i just love baseball. it signals the beginning of spring, the coming of warm weather and overall good feelings. i'm just saying, don't take anything away from baseball players. there are a lot of amazing athletes in the sport.
although i do have to argue the point that nothing incredible ever happens. on the contrary, the most incredible sports moments, and probably the most incredible moments in my young pre-teen to early teenage life came from baseball. watching jim leyritz hit a home run in the world series to start the comeback in 1996. being at game 1 of the 1998 world series with the yankees down 5-2 and chuck knoblauch tying it with a 3-run home run and then tino martinez hitting a grand slam and the stadium erupting with excitement so much that the stadium was literally swaying. being at game 4 of the 2001 world series, with the yankees down with 2 outs in the 9th against the diamondbacks ace closer, byung-hyun kim, who had been shutting people down all season, and watching tino hit a game tying home run and then jeter winning it in the 10th inning. then, the greatest miracle of all, the next night watching the game as the yankees were again down with 2 outs in the 9th against kim, and scott brosius hitting a home run to tie it and knoblauch scoring the winning run. unbelievable. no other sport has provided me with as much excitement and dramatic moments as baseball.
and really, its place in history is unmatched. babe ruth is more of a historical figure even than a professional athlete. everyone knows who jackie robinson is, and his courage was crucial to the civil rights movement that ensued. i bet that for every person that could tell you the man who broke the color barrier for football, hockey, or basketball, 100 could name jackie robinson.
sure, there are people who are passionate about every sport, but in my experience, most people who like baseball really love baseball. that's not really true of other sports. it may be harder to hook people in, but once you are hooked, your life is forever changed.
anyway, im not trying to tell everyone to like baseball. in fact, my original post stated that i liked that it was a little more exclusive. i like to be able to talk to most any baseball fan i meet and probably have an intelligent conversation about the game.
You are my hero JP. Haha... I think if you did a survey in this area, more people would like baseball. The Mets and Yankees rule NY. And the Sox rule Boston.
yes but do you notice that all of the "incredible moments" are home runs. it's a tad redundant if you ask me. i mean how many times can you watch a guy hit a ball with a stick.
A triple is the most exciting hit in baseball. They are the rarest extra base hit you can get. There are plenty of exciting moments other than home runs.
1. Jackie Robinson stealing home.
2. Luis Gonzalez hitting a bloop rbi single off Mariano Rivera to win the 2001 World Series.
3. Endy Chavez making a game saving catch of a home run ball in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS. (A shame the Mets lost after that gem)
4. Don Larsen pitching a perfect game in the 1956 World Series.
I could make a never ending list.
Ok, how many times can you watch a guy catch an elliptical ball or a bunch of guys running into each other? Baseball players aren't hitting a straight pitch each time. They are hitting balls that start out straight, then dive into the dirt. They hit balls that start at 12 oclock and curve to 6 oclock. They hit balls that start inside, then slide over to hit the corner of the plate. Then there is the knuckleball that dances all over. Like I said, much more skill is required to do that than catch a pigskin or run towards an end zone. The quarterback is the only guy on the team who has any truly amazing skill. They are like a pitcher, having to hit their spots. Running around is nothing more than conditioning. Guys like Emmitt Smith did what they did, because they were in phenominal shape. Hand-eye coordination is the most difficult skill to master.
wow, you are truly ignorant. i guess it doesn't take any truly amazing skill to do this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=U-szKE2FXDQ
or this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=2H1ycVygWZ8
or this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=G2oxc-kKgLA&mode=related&search=
or this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=T4TAtP5l-jg
or this...http://youtube.com/watch?v=7-hCC-VXFqU&mode=related&search=
and that is all just offense.
wow barry sanders makes it look so easy!
Cmon, who's the ignorant one... So basically you are telling me it would take more skill to run, than to hit a ball 2 3/4" diameter coming in sometimes at 98mph or arcing or diving. Please son... Ted Williams being able to hit .400 during 2 seasons of his career is harder than running. I'm not saying you don't need skill to play football, but cmon. You can't compare the two things.
just shut up. i am not arguing with you about this any more. you are dense, it's ridiculous. you know less about sports than anyone i have ever talked to. good day sir...I SAID GOOD DAY...sir!
Ok... I think any rational sports analyst will tell you hitting 98-100 mph pitches is harder than anything else. Sorry dude. Not saying what football players do is easy, but anything requiring hand-eye coordination is harder than running. Certainly requires more physical exertion to run, but being able to see a spherical object well enough coming in at high velocities and nasty curvatures and then hitting them with a cylinder is extremely difficult. I could train myself to run faster and make quick turns much easier than hitting .400.
But I'm glad you used a Willy Wonka line, because he has a fro too. LOL!
yeah you are right. football doesn't require hand eye coordination. i am wrong about everything. you have changed my mind. i now agree with you about baseball not being a mind numbingly boring sport for homosexuals.
Hey, I said the Q*Back is like a pitcher. Definitely requires hand-eye coordination. But running is considered conditioning, not skill. Being able to dodge people is skillful in a way, but being able to move that quickly depends on how conditioned your body is. Like me for example, with my knee I could never do that. And if I did, I wouldn't be able to move for days.
There is a difference between conditioning and skill.
no no no, you are absolutely right. that makes PERFECT sense. i am now convinced! baseball is harder to play than football.
i just have one question though... if football doesn't require lot's of skill to play, why do you stink at it so bad?
I just said HITTING is harder. The other aspects are similiar to football. Catching, throwing, running, etc.
Hey at least I got hurt like a man playing football. That's why my knee is the way it is. Otherwise I'd be mowing you over.
i'm sure you would.
and yes, the other aspects of baseball are very similar to football. they are almost IDENTICAL!
Although... A baseball does come in much more sharply to a fielder than a football does to a receiver. Haha...
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! *tears* oooh you! you are such a stitch.
i dont think anyone ever said it didnt take talent to play football...i know that, barry sanders is my favorite football player ever.
also, the reason home runs are so exciting is because they're hard to hit. the BEST hitters only get hits 30% of the time. the best home run hitters hit a home run about 5% of the time. also, not all the plays were home runs. one of the plays i mentioned was one where knoblauch busted it around the bases and scored on a close play at home to win the game.
dan, youre a mets fan...you remember rey ordonez im guessing? guy couldnt hit, but he played some amazing D. defense is more exciting to me, well, except a game winning hit in the world series maybe.
i thought youtube was supposed to have a lot of videos. it stinks. i cant even find some of the great plays. my brain is a better youtube, i just cant show it to you.
Reyes has made Ordonez a forgotten scrub. Haha... The one thing I remember Ordonez for was his first year, he made a bullet throw to the plate from shallow left field while down on his knees. Other than that, Reyes does a better job than him at SS, because Ordonez made great plays, but would botch the routine ones.
well brotherman did say the qb is the only one on the team with any true skill. that is just plain ignorant. but either way, i am not talking about it any more. it is a dumb argument.
It's certainly harder to throw to guys on the run with precision, than catching a ball and running. Again, hand-eye coordination. Sorry... You lose. ;oP
yup you are right. i am convinced.
and you are also correct about the whole hand i coordination thing. playing football does not require hand-eye coordination. you know like catching and stuff, or making interceptions. you are not an idiot.
It's not quite the same catching a ball vs hitting or throwing on target. And I'll tell you why. I am excellent at tracking down fly balls, it's second nature or instinct. Hitting, you go into slumps and can display bad mechanics, same with throwing. So catching and running is not the same.
Ordonez was a freak. I loved the plays he made