I gotta agree with you on Dude Ranch too... or wait.. was it the next album we listened to on that trip down to um... crap... where was it? like Delaware or something? where we made fun of ben the ...

got a lot of heartache!! yeah thats the next album. good too. but that one actually took me a while to warm up to. then i loved it, and adjusted the words to be about ben. we went to washingt...