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ballyhoo Nov 21, 2003

Good story Matt. Thanks a lot. I had a good thing going. Now I have to take the pill.

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dgiaimoOG 2003

Actually it's probably a good thing that there is a male birth control pill now, since there's no worries with it that the reason it's working is by preventing impregnated eggs from implanting properly the way there is with the female birth control pills.

ballyhoo ballyhooOG 2001

hmmmmmm. ok.......

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

Um, i duno i don't think that's true.. because the pill prevents you from ovulating.. so the egg never gets in the spot where it can be impregnated. And I was reading about this, and in order to use a regular birth control pill as "emergency contraception" (to prevent an impregnated egg from attaching properly) you have to take like 6 of them a day for two or three days. So... regular birth control pills do not kill impregnated eggs.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Ahhh..it's like having sex ed! So..we can still take birth control though..right, because it doesn't kill impregnated eggs?

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

as far as i know... yes. But there is a chance that I might be wrong, who knows. All I know is that you CAN still get pregnant on the pill, so it DOES NOT kill impregnated eggs. It prevents ovulation. If you forget to take the pill, even one day, you can ovulate, ergo, get pregnant.

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

I just really doubt that SOOO many sisters around the world would be taking birth control pills if it was a true fact that it was killing impregnated eggs, which is abortion. Right? I duno, I might be wrong.. it's a conscience decision.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Actually, I'm so silly..I know how it works! It tricks your body into thinking it's pregnant so that's why you don't ovulate anymore. For the three days (?? I'm not sure exactly how many it is) that you don't take the pills a month (or you take the fake ones that are sugar pills) then your body isn't tricked anymore and you ovulate..then you go back to tricking your body.

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dgiaimoOG 2003

It's seven days that you don't take the pill.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Why do you know more about this then I do!!

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dgiaimoOG 2003

Lol. That's a good question. Of course I could turn it around and ask why you don't know more about this than I do.

tinser tinserOG 2002

cause she's single...as in not married

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dgiaimoOG 2003 tinser

So? I was under the impression that most girls (even in the truth) start taking the pill long before they get married just to get their bodies acclimated to it.

yodasucka yodasuckaOG 2003 dgiaimo

sum times girls have to take it for medical reasons... i know a lot of girls who take the pill for reasons other then birth control

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002 dgiaimo

Seriously? Most likely if they're not in the truth and are taking birth control..even if they say its for another reason..it's because they're having mad relations. But birth control can be used for acne problems and stuff like that..but it can also make you gain weight so I don't know why anyone would take it if they didn't have to/want to. Also, what's there to get acclimated to?

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003 thatdarngirl

Well, some girls have excruciatingly painful and irregular cycles, and BC regulates them, and makes them like 99% less painful. I've known of girls in the truth who start taking a very low dosage of BC (since they don't actually need the birth control part, but they need the hormones to regulate things) as early as age 14.

yodasucka yodasuckaOG 2003 juicymango

it also clears up acne...

OR to use Accutane u have to be using birth contol whether ur *active* or not. They are afraid of pregnacies that will have horrible birth defects, and the lawsuits that came later.

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dgiaimoOG 2003 thatdarngirl

I don't know. I just remember having this discussion with my mom about it when I was 15 or 16 and I found out that my cousin was on the pill. (She's only six months older than me.) It kind of shocked me at the time, but my mom just said that it's normal for girls to start taking the pill even before they start thinking about dating and marriage just to get used to taking it.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002 dgiaimo

Interesting. I'm not sure about this whole getting used to taking it, that's kind of weird. Though, it does making things a bit convenient even if your not married because it regulates everything.

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dgiaimoOG 2003 thatdarngirl

Hey, are you calling my family weird? You wouldn't be the first...

tinser tinserOG 2002 dgiaimo

i can understand girls taking it because they have irregularity problems...but for them to take it just to get acclimated to it or to clear up acne, i think that's a bad idea. It's playing around with your hormones, which is never a good idea. It increases your chances of getting cancer and it can cause a lot of other problems. So, I don't know...to each his own, but i'd rather use neutrogena for acne then mess around with my hormones.

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dgiaimoOG 2003 tinser

I'm not saying it's a good idea just that that was the impression I got.

iwz iwz

yeah, you guys are right. BC is ok because the egg is never fertilized. Emergency Contraceptives that cause a fertilized egg to leave the body/die are basically abortion, because the embryo is alive since it's been fertilized.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Yeah, that would be the "day after" pill. Can't these stupid people just remember to take a pill the day of..how dumb are they. If you're really that stupid you shouldn't be having relations.

tinser tinserOG 2002

think how many people have had kids by accident...i think quite a lot of people forget...and the pills have a certain amount of error, dont they?

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dgiaimoOG 2003

I'm not extremely worried about it. It's just that a few years ago I was reading up on the pill and I found a question from readers in the 6/15/1989 watchtower that troubled me somewhat. After reading that I looked one of the more popular pills (Ortho-Novum) up in my dad's copy of PDR and under the clinical pharmacology section it says the following:

"Combination oral contraceptives act by suppresion of gonadotropins. Although the primary mechanism of this action is inhibition of ovulation, other alterations include changes in the cervical mucus (which increase the difficulty of sperm entry into the uterus) and the endometrium (which reduce the likelyhood of implantation)."

That last sentence has worried me since I first read it, but, like that question from readers says, it is only a secondary action and it does not actually *prevent* implantation from occuring.

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

yeah... i gotta look into that I guess. All I know is I do not want a kid. Heh.

thefunkyfresh thefunkyfreshFounder

i heard something on the radio about this drug they're working on that decreases the amount of cycles women have to like 3 or 4 per year... anybody else hear about that?

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

yeah! But technically women can do that already.. like if they skip the "sugar pills" week and just go straight to the next pack of pills, they can entirely skip their cycle. Some women do this and NEVER get their monthly fun time. I duno if this is healthy tho.

iwz iwz

yeah sounds a little scary. actually i know someone who was doing the shot thing. it lasted like 3 or 4 months.

tinser tinserOG 2002

healthy or not, it sounds good to me

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

hahaha i know right.

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dgiaimoOG 2003

It's not a new drug. It's been known for a long time (at least since the early '70's) that if you increase the dosage on standard birth control pills that you can entirely eliminate periods. What they're working on is getting FDA approval for this new regimen that allows women to take a higher dosage of the pill for a while so that their periods completely stop for a few months, then cycle once and repeat.

tinser tinserOG 2002

so you just get your period every 6 months then?

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dgiaimoOG 2003

More like every 3 or 4 months. It's not thought to be healthy to avoid it more often than that.

tinser tinserOG 2002

hmm, and they do think its healthy to avoid it that often? It sounds like a reaaaaaaaal good idea, but it seems like it would be very unsafe

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dgiaimoOG 2003 tinser

There's arguments on both sides as to whether it's more or less healthy. Personally, I think it's a real bad idea since if it fails, then you'll end up taking the pill for a long time before you notice that you're pregnant, and that would be very bad for the baby. (Of course, I do understand why women like the idea of fewer periods.)

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