bands changing their music
by I was listening to some old Jimmy Eat World, and it's crazy how some of their older stuff was so much more punk than they are now, more along the lines of NOFX. Some of their newer older stuff sorta reminded me of the Foo Fighters. Their new stuff is just much more melodic, smoother singing, no screaming. Their newest album isn't my favorite, but I think it's still pretty good.
I think it's retarded when a band or group is good and they "sell out" (aka start pumping out crappy music just to make a buck). Like I really used to like No Doubt, but anything I've heard from them or Gwen Stefani in the last 5 years has just really really sucked. I know it's a matter of opinion, but it's my opinion that matters lol.
Alkaline Trio is another band that I think has definitely changed over the years, but they've always made great music. Their newest stuff isn't as raw as their old stuff, but musically its just great. Same for the Beastie Boys. What do u guys think?
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hey speaking of selling out: TBS has signed with WB
everyones gotta eat
That doesn't automatically class anyone as sell-out... just 'cause they're not on Timmy's Low-Budget Homemade Basement Records. It's all about whether their ethics are sacrificed or not. Soul Coughing was even on Slash Records, which is under Warner Brothers. And, they never became sell-outs. And, there's tons of good stuff on EMI and Virgin, et cetera. You can be on a major label and be making music that isn't empty.. it is possible. And then there are some artists just don't hold their ground... and that's foolish.. to do something that's supposed to be artistic and turn it into something corporate. When the marketing gets more important than the substance of the music.
robbie i was just kidding....
no you werent... LIAR!
Oh. I get it
I never listened to Alkaline Trio (seen them play a song on Late Night, but that's it) so I can't make any comments about them.
However, I'll say this... there's a difference between changing music style and "selling-out." "Selling-out" is when you change everything around because the label is on your back about it... like you record your thing... they don't want it... they say do it this way instead or we'll drop you 'cause we want you to do what we think is hot and will make more record sales.. and you comply (reluctantly... nonetheless, comply).
For example, when Radiohead (slighty) evolved into a different sound... that is not regarded as "selling-out." They simply came to what they were working on from the beginning really... (just listen to OK Computer)... and with both Kid A sessions... they were doing what they wanted. In fact, it scared the label.
I think bands should do what they want and be respected for it. There's always way too much talk about the "selling-out" thing.
It's almost as if a band's making a little money, they get hated, which isn't a fair thing at all.
The band Low got a little louder on the recent album than their usual minimalistic clean electric guitar sound shoegazing slowcore. And, I bet they're a little hated now. Which I shouldn't spend time thinking about (I should just care that I still like them and that be that)... but this just helps make the point.
I'm not even on a label and I make music from no-wave noise to acoustic folk and play in band that does early-like psychedelic pop. Am I a "sell-out".. no, I'm not even signed.
Hopefully, all made sense...
At the end of day... listen to what you like to listen to (and even listen to stuff you never heard... to discover possible wonderful takes on sounds and enrich your soul)
rock on wit your bad self....
Right on. Right on!
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This is my opinion, if a bands selling out or changing affects the style of music so much that you can't recognize it or even like it they should be forgotten. Change is good, I think Matt and most others who have tried to write a song can appreciate the difficulty involved.
Otherwise the band writes the same song twice and they suck. Examples of this are:
Fuel-their last album was exactly the same as the one prior which was amazing.
EVERY U2 Song
sometimes i like when bands evolve and change their sound, and sometimes i don't
that's about as deep as I go into thinking about this topic, lol
i luv gwen's new stuff. there's one song i hate on her new CD, BUT the rest IS gwen. BUT it's only because i knew the funky ghetto gwen.....and everyone knows the "rude girl" gwen.
but YES no doubt did change their music, from what they had so much passion for.....and before there was a particular radio station in LA that played nothing but pop and i remember erik said "if we ever have a song on that station.....we will commit suicide" lol WELLLLLL thats one of the main stations that plays anything and everything no doubt.
i dunno, i have a hard time taking her seriously nowadays. she's a 35 year old MOM who's singing about "hollering back". but i'm glad you like it :)
and she still is hott.
LOL she's not a "mom"
but
she's fun....a super fun person.
and yes she's HOT and has the best legs!!!
yeah dude what the heck how does she accomplish this? I never had legs like that even when i was a skinny 14 year old!
i know huh? maybe regular exercise.....she's always had great legs.
Radiohead has changed a lot over the years and they're pretty swell still. I can't wait to see what they do next.
yeah this is what i'm talking about. bands that make it, but aren't afraid to risk losing fans by changing their style. I'm not the hugest radiohead fan, but I really respect that about them. I've been trying to listen to them more lately
The Bends and Ok Computer are good, as you probably know. But KidA and Amnesiac are BOSS. A wild departure, for sure.
I think Alkaline Trio is def more poppy then they used to be... I respect bands like Face to Face and No Use, they NEVER changed their style. In contrast, Brand New, who started out pop/punk has turned into more of an emo/hard rock band as of their last few cds. Bands can change and evolve to whatever they want... i say, LET THE BOYS PLAY WHAT THEY WANT!!! listen to what you want! If you like to listen to polka and country, thats your choice...
People are to fast to brand a style of music or the motivation behind the band doing what they do. if you can make a buttload of money doing something you love then... more power to you, i wish i could make money eating taco bell... id be content and fat old man....
dude, face to face changed alot over time, remember how pissed off some people were when big choice came out because it was softer?
and NUFAN definitely changed. Listen to their first few albums, with songs like biomag and legalize drugs, and then listen to songs like angela, or dumb reminders just to see how much they've changed.
eh, i dunno, your kinda right, but i think the same melodies, same riffs, same singing style, i mean you can listen to NUFAN : Any Number Can Play... (one of my favs on that album wahtever it is... i think hardrock bottom) and then listen to Old Whats his Name on that earlier album (Daily Grind) and you can still go, oh ok, this is No Use...
Some bands change styles so drastic that you hear them and not know what band they are. Face to Face is the same, you can hear a song and know right away its F2F... ya know what i mean?
I think both bands changed quite a bit. Listen to NUFAN's first cd...the one before "leche con carne". they've smoothed out over the years. The transition has been very smooth (and I can't wait to hear their next CD, coming out soon). But if you were compare their first CD to Hard Rock Bottom...you'd see a HUGE difference. (IMO)They have never sold out. They've only grown.
Same exact thing is true of Lagwagon. Their "Duh" is awesome, but it's quite different than "Blaze", but their transition has been smooth. (IMO)They have never sold out. They've only grown.
Face to Face did not have smooth transitions. When they came out with "Ignorance is Bliss". It was a whole new thing--much softer. ** Now it's their music, and they can go in any direction they want. I personally feel this album was a huge disappointment. I felt betrayed. I hated the direction they went in.
(**it was mentioned earlier that "big choice" was a let down, but it wasn't. That was F2F's 2nd album, and one of their best. I started listening to F2F around the time their 3rd album dropped. That was something like 11 years ago. I don't think you guys even knew who they were when that came out.)
Oddly enough, their decision to put this album out was the complete opposite of selling out. Fortunately.... F2F loved their old fans, and came back to that style. This may or may not be considered selling out. To me, they didn't have the same sound anymore, but it WAS more like the older stuff. I have mixed opinions on this one. I feel that F2F actually DID sell out. But I'm glad they did, or else I wouldn't have gotten more great music that I love from F2F.
sorry.... i meant "ignorance is bliss" when i said "big choice"
just making sure. :)
I guess you guys are right, but i still think you can pick up any album from F2F or Nufan and say... oh... this is "whatever". ya know? bands that sell out, you can hardly tell its them when they change, thats what im talking about.
seriously... listen to JEWs earlier albums and then listen to their newest ones. its unrecognizable. Their old stuff is closer to pennywise, its just regular old punk, it was actually pretty cool. if i hadn't known it was JEW i was listening to, I wouldn't have even guessed. I like their new stuff now though too.
hmmm good point, jew DOES sound ALOT dif from their earlier albums... but yeah i like their new stuff too... i dunno... the whole music thing and selling out thing is soo confusing... i guess in the end it doesnt matter... just listen to what you like.
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i said in here before but what i was originally talking about bands changing their music wasn't selling out. it was just bands changing up their style but still being good
Man, you're starting all kinds of controvery with the marriage age thing, and now bands selling out... you're trying to start some kind of war.
are you serious?
the point of this thread was to talk about bands that people have continued to like over the years, even though they've changed, not to diss people's taste and whatnot. I'm not a musical snob, I think people should listen to whatever makes them happy.
lol i think you are a musical snob, i think alot of people are... you like what you like and you dont like what you dont like. ya know? some people that i DONT classify as musical snobs are people that just listen to whatever and dont really care... I consider myself a music snob... i like what i like, and i have strong opinions about it too... if i dont like something, ill say it.
ME TOOO I am an advocate for this, and ALL forms of Snobbery.
Mike you should be in one of my dvds. I would like some commentary from you on a few topics...seriously. snobs rock
am i gonna be interviewed? Can i wear a bird suit when im being interviewed?
No dear.
ghey, then im doing it naked... period.
but you can wear a fat suit like Jiminy Glick. that'd be hilarious.
why would i have to wear a fat suit...?
no, no, i mean Snob! she'd look like Big Mama!
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my brother and i still have the dream of buying stormtrooper outfits and showing up at someones wedding we weren't invited to (they're like an interstellar tux) and walking around. Or maybe even a ballgame. Seriously the suits are like 400 bucks....