Star Wars III
by Why isn't there already a Star Wars thread? Confusing.
Okay, so I finally got to see it last night. I wasn't disapointed. It was obvious that James Cameron wrote some of the love-scene lines (that's code for they were really corny) but overall I thought it was great.
They did the Wookie planet all wrong. That's not how it's supposed to look, but I think I can forgive him this one thing...maybe.
Lots of lightsaber battles..always enjoyable. They just seem a bit too fake for me, still. Like, it's kinda fun to have the jedi all jumping around and all, and it makes sense since they should be able to do that. The only problem is they don't make it look realistic. Like, when jumping amazing heights they barely crouch down- they're just flying in the air all of the sudden. Yoda vs Sidious- pretty freakin awesome. I love that little green man.
I almost cried. I don't usually cry in movies or books because as real as it does become for me I don't let it upset me. However, when that youngling goes to Anakin/Vader "Master Skywalker! What are we going to do, there's too many of them.." in his little adorable accent it just broke my heart. Also, the fight between Obi-wan and Anakin in general. I just want to give Obi-wan a big hug because he doesn't want to do that and he's so upset..and that's his brother! And just all the jedi dying in general..I think I'm going to be depressed for a month over that.
The Anakin-to-Vader physical change was a bit graphic for me. Did we really need to see him like..melting? It was effective though. Also, the Palpatine-to-Emperor physical change was kind of laughable. Like, he looked like Frankestein and sounded absurd.
The movie made me actually hate Vader. In the original movies I kind of love him because he's such an awesome bad guy and all and then in the end he redeems himself. But no, I wish he died a more painful death and didn't redeem himself because he is an awful person for killing those little kids. At the same time, I do feel bad for him because he was clearly manipulated..but that's what he gets for being stupid and egotistical.
Yeah..so discuss.
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Neal Stephenson on Star Wars
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/opinion/17stephenson.html?
Great read!
i read that over some guys shoulder this morn on the subway...
I'm reading his book "Quicksilver" right now. good stuff.
I'm not a registered member of the NY times. C&P please?
amazing...
Good stuff..I love geeking out.
A general reply to a bunch of posts here
You have to realize how powerful Palpatine was with the dark side. He was influencing the entire senate, and all the clone troopers, and obviously Anakin and Mace Windu, and maybe even Padme.
In one of the books, it talks about how when the emporer died, basically all of the armies and other servants of the Empire basically gave up and stopped what they were doing. He was controlling everything.
I think the only way he was able to keep hidden from the Jedi Council for as long as he did was because he didn't fully turn on his powers until he took over the Senate and invoked Order 66.
And, on Padme dying, I think the force had more to do with it than her just losing the will to live. Almost like she was tied to Anakin in the force somehow.
insightful.
Alot of energy is used up by women in child birth. Add to that anxiety and a woman could die in child birth like that. People have heart attacks when they get too excited. So this is no different.
I like Ian's explanation better. Yours might be plausable if it were the middle ages, but not in a society that mastered intergallactic travel.
It's a movie not real life. And if Padme were tied to Anakin in the force, GL would have made it known. Padme is not force sensitive remember.
Umm... I think you're a little too into this series.
Yeah I know. I'm a geek.
I really liked it.
Donovan and I saw an 11:30 show the night before we left for vacation - so we got like 2 hours of sleep that night, but it was worth it.
Parts I liked:
How R2 is such a punky little robot.
How Yoda fought Palpatine.
The wookie planet and Chewbacca; and how Chewy knew yoda and the wookies protected him.
How Obi Wan leaves Anakin half-dead, because he can't bear to kill him.
Parts I didn't like:
How stupid Padme is through the whole movie - first for keeping her marriage with Anakin a secret (anyone who knows them must realize they live together); second for not saying anything when the senate gives Palpatine authority (and she says, "So this is how liberty dies--with thunderous applause."); third for not trying to live even though she gave birth (like after having twins, the only thing she's thinking about is stupid Anakin?).
How Anakin lies to Padme about not killing everyone even though he's supposed to be turning to the dark side to save her.
How Samuel Jackson doesn't just kill Palpatine when he has the chance
Parts that were explained:
Obviously, why Anakin turned to the dark side and why he was mostly machine.
How R2 remembers everything that happened in the first 3 episodes, but C3PO doesn't (Obi Wan asks that his memory be erased).
How Obi Wan ends up on the same planet as Luke.
Why Leia is a Princess.
Why Yoda had to go into exile.
Yeah, in all, I really liked it. I'm sure when the put out a trilogy with the first three, we'll buy it.
i agree with the whole padme thing. she was mature enough to be queen at like 12 and then go on to be a galactic senator but they portray her like a silly fool.
My mom has such a problem with this too.
Palpatine feigned to Mace to convert Anakin. He had something Anakin wanted. If Yoda could not defeat him, Mace certainly could not in a real battle where the dark lord uses his full strength. Palps says to Yoda, "Now you will experience the full power of the dark side". Yoda goes into hiding, because he realizes that he will not get another chance at defeating Palps and that he must live to fight another day, which he did thru Luke.
ok, my thoughts were that a LOT of my Star Wars questions got answered, for instance, how was Anakin born without a father? And other things like that ...
But what I don't get is Luke says to Leia in Jedi "what do you remember about your (our) mother?" And she says that "she seemed sad all the time" ... now, how did Leia remember her mother for the .3 seconds they were both alive? How come Luke didn't remember this?
wait, episode 3 explains why he didn't have a father? I must have missed that....
Well doensn't say outright but alludes to it.
please explain...
just read this on a nerd-site: the Sith master who's apprentice killed him--Palpatine mentions him--could make life. So possibly Anikin was made by him in shmi?
Yeah, Palpatine said that the Sith master could manipulate midochlorians to create life, and in Episode I, Quai-Gon-Jin said to Shmi that Anakin had an extremely high level of midochlorians in him. I think that he was somehow created by this Sith master.
eh yeah its confusing,
if you watch ep 6 again, i think she says for a little while, or like a couple months, which makes it more confusing, so i was just assuming she was referring to her adopted mom or something, and they put that in there to make it harder to guess
wow... good point about the leia thing... i NEVER thought about that.
yo, I caught on to that, too. Weird, right? Plot holes are ghey.
So are all the new SW's love scenes.
ewww, there's gay love scenes in the movie??
ewwww
I also thought about the Leia thing. Ben and I had an intelligent geek conversation about it. He pointed out that because Leia has the ability to use the Force she could probably feel her mother while in the womb. That's just an explation..maybe someone should e-mail it to Lucas to cover up the plot hole.
It has also been mentioned that perhaps through the force she saw her mother when she was older. I don't know there are a lot of theories flying around about this.
maybe in a dream...but she didn't even know she could use the force until she found out Luke was her brother. I guess that's kind of obvious, though. ??? where am I going with this?
See the thing about those that are force sensitive is they can use the force without realising it and without even knowing they can, so she could have done it without realising it. A vision of the past through the force as a child.
"You're so beautiful"
"That's because I'm so in love with you"
"No it's because I"M so in love with YOU"
....
barf!
hahahaha i know. can the love dialogue get any gheyer? they should have protested saying that
haha this part made no sense to me..
it was like.
fighting fighting ..
CUT!!
then all of a sudden there's gayden ..
I want your babies.
OK
CUT!!
back to fighting fighting..
and i'm all " what just happened.. did someone just cut up the tape and slipped that in " e.g (fightclub)
That scene could be cut out. It is pointless.
Hmm well I never made it through any star war's eps without falling asleep. But I enjoyed this ep3 so much that I sat through all 3 of ending triology in one day.
The acting is always pretty dry so I didn't expect it to be any better
And sadly the CG only goes so far, the original episodes are pretty impresive, even think sometimes more than the new CG stuff
It's sad that the dreams/visions of her dying were a result of his turning to the dark side, and she died becuase she lost the will to live?? sad. By trying to save her he killed her.
The little kids getting killed - i almost cried
it was super sad how all the jedis were killed. Overall the movie really tied everything together for me. Today we bought the trilogy and are watching it haha...
i think i need to watch all of them in a row. i hear people saying how this ties this together or doesn't explain this and i can't remember anything from previous episodes-only return of the jedi.
Lame Parts:
natalie portman naming the babies.. then dying for no reason.
Gayden christinasen going from " what did i do " to " i am your slave emperor.. take me .. take me with you.. i love your bewbs" in like 3 seconds. sooo soo rushed
gaydens' acting.
Every scene that gayden and natalie were in together.
Good parts...
Killing the kids
Killing all the jedis
End of Obi/Gayden fiight : YOU were suppose to be my lover.. or whatever he said.
yeah i definitely agree about it being rushed. it made it ridiculous. i mean seriously, give yourself a minute to decide whether you really want to destroy the galaxy or not
I have a serious problem with you refering to him as Gayden, I WILL TAKE YOU DOWN LITTLE MAN
aww thats so cute sweetiecakes
and could the acting during that part have been more dispassionate? he says what have i done like he just broke his mom's favorite vase. couldn't he at least muster a street-car-named-desire-stella! moment for that one?
she died because her heart was broken by gayden
Uh, how was his turn rushed? He wiped out a tribe of sandpeople 3 years earlier and throughout the whole movie he is going back and forth in his mind over what to do. Once he betrayed Mace Windu, he knew the jedi would come after him. He had no other choice at that time but to turn. That and he was tricked into thinking Palps had the secret to cheat death. The movie is great, stop nitpicking it.
If by great you mean " the worst movie ever in the universe." then yes you're a right
Line that made me chuckle: “ONLY the Sith deal in absolutes!” -Obi Wan
for most of this movie I was thinking: "Why is that robot coughing? thats so dumb"
and then later: "oh, ok"
I was thinking that too! I wanted it to stop.
I did that for a second too. Then they did a close-up of the Grevious' eyes to show you that he was actually ORGANIC under the armor. We don't know exactly how much flesh is there, but he probably got jacked up and then was fitted with cybernetic parts to keep him alive. The new parts I guess didn't cure his coughing fits.
In the clone wars cartoons, Greivous encounters Mace Windu and gets his torso crushed while he kidnaps Palpatine, hence the coughing fits.
Agreed... the movie was overall pretty amazing. We dragged 2 girls along that hated star wars... and they both LOVED it... and i think they are both gonna see it again. Sooo my work is done here.
R2 is always good for laughs specially when he rocks those 2 battledroids in the begining of the movie with the oil and fire hahhaahha
Hayden Christensen actually improved somewhat in his acting, imo... i thought least you can understand where he was coming from and why he turned to the darkside.
My only gripe about the entire movie is the fact that it IS PG -13... when i went to the company sneak peek. ALOT of kids under the age of 10 were in the audience... and parts that were in the movie, i felt like that would scare the crap outta a kid that age, ie Anakin/Darth Vader catching on fire without the use of his legs and one arm . If i had a kid under the age of 15 i dont think i wouldda taken him... but... thats just me.
Well my little ones saw it. I guess I'm a bad dad.
oh my goodness-in the temple with the younglings I gasped and I almost screamed "NO!" so sad and horrible.
i know it's stupid and obviously I knew what the outcome would be, but part of me couldn't help hoping it wouldn't be so-esp. b/c he was so easily convinced. I was kinda disappointed-to me it was a relatively lame reason to go over to the darkside. i mean couldn't he find like a doctor or another way to save her other than destroying all the jedi and dooming the whole galaxy? come on. it would've been more understandable if he did it out of anger or something.
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. He became a different person when he joined the darkside. Obi-Wan said it nicely in ROTJ. Anakin ceased being himself and became Darth Vader.
They did the Wookie planet all wrong I'm not sure what I think it should've looked like. I got all retarded and squeeled when I saw Chewy. I luv Yoda to, soo spunky.
Yoda vs Sidious That was soo hot. Yoda took a couple of crazy hits but, took a licken & kept on kickin' (major butt).
"Master Skywalker! What are we going to do, there's too many of them.." in his little adorable accent it just broke my heart.
Me too, I'm glad they didn't show it.
The fight between Obi-wan and Anakin in general
Definately! As Anakin is struggling and the fire starts to inch up what's left
of his body, and Obi turns away, that must have been so difficult for him.
Palpatine-to-Emperor , okay I dunno why but, I secretly thought he was faking, like as his face was startin to look all whack... I thought it was a ploy to draw on Anakin's sympathy but, when it stayed that way after the fight I was like oh, hmmm. In the other movies I didn't think it looked so haggard but, maybe I wasn't looking close enough.
Is it just me or were the various bots screaming as they were being distroyed, all through the movie? Saying things like " Uh oh." "Ooooooh no." I SWEAR, 'cause me and my friend kept craking up but, no one else :/