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superhero Jul 29, 2004

if stormtroopers have the same voice as boba fett, that means stormtroopers are clones of boba fett...meaning that clones become stormtroopers.... GIVE ME TROOPERS I NEED TROOPERS soemthingso...

perrin Jul 29, 2004

See that is messed up because most of the storm troopers by the time new hope started were no longer clones. At least that was the way the story used to be but now who knows.

thatdarngirl Jul 29, 2004

Yeah, Storm Troopers are definetly not supposed to be clones by the time of A New Hope. Clones are re-introduced later in some books but then its like "omg..who could have done this clones haven't...

legacy legacyOG 2004

around the time of a new hope the clones had become to costly for the empire to be producing so very limited batches were being made and interwoven with conscripts and graduates from the imperial acadamy if i remember correctly most of the cloning technoligy was lost or destroyed during by the end of the clone wars and the few remaining spaarti cloning cylinders that were left were taken to mount tantis on wayland and the clone of a jedi master named Joruss C'boath was assigned by the emporer to gaurd the store house. clones were not again introduced until admiral thrawn began cloning Baron soontir Fell later on during the Hier to the empire saga, not long after Thrawn fell at the hands of his body gaurd Ruhk the emporer returned as a clone in the dark empire saga so the remaining cloning tanks were stored on the planet Byss. but i agree with that lucas is making things up as he goes the only thing he evern kept canon is the name coruscant which he in fact did not come up with but Timothy Zahn did.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Wow..yeah I read all the books but your memory is real good. I remember the whole thing about the cloning facilities being moved to Wayland and all that and clone Luuke but I didn't remember all the details.

Do you know the name of the saga with the Emperor clone? I've read about it being alluded to in a bunch of other books but never found it myself to read and I'd like to.

perrin perrinOG 2004

I have both of those books. they were pretty good too. Pretty much anything Zahn puts out is great. It's a dualogy the first book is Spector of the Past and the second one is Vision of the future.

malibu malibuOG 2001

i've read these. and then when they discover the colone of general thrawn and they consider waking it so it can help them. those were good books. that was the first time i read about mara jade with luke.

legacy legacyOG 2004

did you read the originals, hier to the empire, dark forc rising, and last command those are prolly the best star wars storys ever even better then the movies if lucas was smart he woulda made movies outta those.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Yeah that's for sure, those books were just awsome. The way he developed the characters and the stories. Good stuff.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Yeah, I just re-read them over the last few days..good stuff.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Yeah I want to reread them myself it's been a while but I want to finish up the new jedi order books first.

hunkpapap hunkpapapOG 2003

mara jade is just such a hot redhead..

malibu malibuOG 2001

i read those. for a while i read all of them i could get my hands on. but then in one of the farther along books i read something horrible that i hated and i just didnt' wanna keep reading. but the stories about han and leia's kids are awesome.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Don't say what happened but what book are you talking about?

legacy legacyOG 2004

lately the dark horse clone war comics have been awsome, did anyone else catch seasons 1 and 2 of cartoon netowkrs clone wars i cant wait till season 3 comes out and the best part is soon season 1 and 2 are coming out on dvd along with the original droids and ewoks cartoons on dvd and then the original ewok movies also coming out on dvd

perrin perrinOG 2004

I actually have ewoks and the battle for endor on a tape. I taped it off of tv ages ago. That was one of my favorite movies.

hunkpapap hunkpapapOG 2003 perrin

man i remember that!! They played that like every year on halloween i think it was and we'd listen all night..

perrin perrinOG 2004

I caught most of season 1 but that's pretty much it. There were a few things that I really didn't like about it though. Let me just say robots on speaders with lances. that was lame.

malibu malibuOG 2001

i can't remember the name of the book but i'm pretty sure it's the one where all leia and han's kids are like 17, 16 and they all take turns flying ships through a asteroid belt. it's a game that one of han's friends runs to place bets on and train criminals to get away from good people by running into the asteroid fields. yeah and then later the despicable thing happens. but i didn't ruin anything by describing that part of the book. i wish i could remember the name.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Oh ok. Yeah I know which one you are talking about but can't remember the name of it either. I'll have to look through my star wars books later and try and figure out which one it was.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

I'm almost done re-reading the whole Thrawn books. So good, how could I have forgotten how good these were? I just love Thrawn, he is such an amazing bad guy. Like..if I were in the alliance I would have switched sides for him! And Mara is such an awesome character too. I also enjoy Karrade very much as well as some of the people in his organization you get to see a little of like Ghent the slicer.

legacy legacyOG 2004

if mememory serves the book where they are racing through the astroid belts was one of the first jedi order books, if not the first i only read the first two jedi order books then i stopped cuz i really hated the new bad guys they had.

what were the the yuzan vong i think they were called, yea these non technological bio organic aliens were supposed to be more dangerous then the empire, i just didnt but it. and then of course killing off chewbacca and then young anakin (hans son) yea none of that made me really desire to conitniue reading the newer books, but everything b4 jedi order i kept up with.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Yeah I know what you mean. Though I like the Vong I thought it was a rather original idea. Well sort of original anyway. lol. I didn't like them killing of chewy either or Anakin for that matter, but at least they didn't get rid of Jacen. He's totally my favorite star wars character.

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brothermanOG 2004

The books mean nothing to the movies. Just because Timothy Zaun wrote that the stormtroopers are not clones doesn't mean in the old movies that they are not. Think about it this way, if the Republic could not raise an army in the height of it's power, how is the empire going to raise an army of normal humans out of the destruction of the galaxy caused by the clone wars? That doesn't make sense. The storm troopers are indeed the clones, or else Lucas would not have bothered introducing that idea.

legacy legacyOG 2004

actually its pretty easy for the republic / empire to raise an army of non clone troopers, the original idea was that the emporer came into power using pro human anti alien propeganda to gain support.
humans are found in almost every corner of the galaxy, so it wouldnt be hard to get a bucnha humans riled up and wanting to join the army by saying aliens are attacking or bombing human settlements, but in reality Lucas never intended the stormtroopers to be clones, and he has even admitted this.

origianlly the stormtroopers were going to be left overs of the mercenary army of manderlorians, then he changed the idea to let the mandalorians have been killed off by the jedi but basicly also wiped out most of the jedi, and boba fett was supposed to be the last remaining mandalorian.

however things of course continued to get changed, and lucas scrapped alot of his older ideas thinking his newer ones were cooler, for instance in the original story of a new hope lucas intedned there to be a wookie battle but since he couldnt do it he attempted to mimick it in return of the jedi, with the ewoks. now in episode 3 he is again going to attempt to do it with actual wookies, (interesting side note EWOK is derived from the word WOOKIE) so while now the story has been changed to make storm troopers clones i think that it doesnt neccesarrily mean we have to accept it, perhaps they intermixed clones with recruits from the imperial acadamy, i think at this point since there are so many difrent versions, you can take and pick and choose what you like.

I mean lucas screwed so much stuff up now hes trying to even fix some things like erasing the greedo shoots first, or having han step on jabbas tail.

fivezero fivezeroOG 2003

Having Greedo shoot first was one of the worst ideas EVER put into a special edition. Lucas was nuts for doing that. You had Han Solo kill Greedo in a rather cold blooded manner. Stand by it!

deanh77 deanh77Founder

Ladies and gentlemen of this "supposed" jury... If Chewbacca the Wookie is from Endor, then you must aquit.

iwz iwz

haha, the Chewbacca Defense

perrin perrinOG 2004

Actually the books do mean something because unlike say the star trek books each book is approved and the whole universe is supposed to gel.

legacy legacyOG 2004

very good point, which just goes to prove that Lucas is truly the evil emperor in the galaxy. for example, if any has ever heard of the orginal star wars trading card game it was really awsome and very well researched, it ran for about 6 years then lucas arts bought stock in Wizards of the coast, so they decided to cancel there contract with decipher the company that was making the awsome card game and let the freaks who designed pokemon make a whole new card game which totally sucked, just so they could have a bigge profit margin.

perrin perrinOG 2004

Yeah I have the original and it was great. The new one, well let's just say BAH!

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