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brotherman Feb 20, 2007

I hope none of you kidless people take offense, but I think a lot of you are in lala land. Having kids opens your eyes a bit wider to what is going on in this world. While I respect anyones decis...

tesoro Feb 20, 2007

i don't think it's the kidless part that there are more DF-ings...it's the singleness part.

brotherman Feb 20, 2007

My point is, it makes people stronger to have children. Selfishness goes out the door. That is, if Jehovah is put first.

web-toedchloe Feb 20, 2007

There's plenty of single, selfless pioneers and elders who don't want kids to be able to do more in Jehovah's service. Some want to have kids and choose not to. You're saying people without kids ...

brotherman Feb 20, 2007

Ok and you are talking about an exceptional few. Sorry, but a lot of people's reasons for not having kids have nothing to do with service to Jehovah.

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

why do you need a reason at all? it's not like we are required to have children and have to come up with a good reason not to. Please.

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brothermanOG 2004

you don't have to have a reason at all. I just think people with kids are more in tune with reality.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

That's a ridiculous thing to say. People with kids are more in tuned to what life is with kids - everyone's lives and priorities are different. Just because someone's priorities involve their pets and spouses instead of children doesn't make them less important or mean that their life is less "real".

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brothermanOG 2004

If you ever have kids you will then understand. Since I am in a minority here on this site, I expect to hear people think otherwise.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Ok. As long as you admit you're wrong.

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brothermanOG 2004

What am I wrong about? I see a lot of young single people and married couples that really don't know what true adversity is. Yeah, they go to work, they get to their meetings, go out in service, take care of a home. That can be hard. Throw a kid in the mix and a lot of them would be like chickens with their heads cut off. Its this generation. All I'm saying is that if you are successful rearing kids in the truth, it makes you a stronger person and more appreciative of the truth than if you had not had kids. That's not to say you wouldn't still appreciate the truth, it is just magnified by raising people who rely on you 100%. And if you don't have children, then you don't know what I mean. And I'm not saying you need to have a kid to survive this system. I'm just saying having kids fortifies your resolve further. I have two people I get to have bible studies with. How encouraging is that?

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Dude, come on. Kids are cool and do take a lot of work. But just because the majority of people on this site don't have kids at this point, doesn't mean that they've faced less adversity then you. You have no idea what goes on in other people's lives and what makes their faith strong. You only know what it's like to be in your life, having kids when you did, and nothing else. So you can't act like you have the perspective of NOT having kids and growing spiritually as a single person.

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brothermanOG 2004

Let's just agree to disagree.

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alexOG 2001

so you're saying that having kids is a good strategy for JW's to make them "stronger in the truth." if a kid is going to make your life harder and miserable why have them?

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brothermanOG 2004

Basically I'm telling the people who laugh at the notion of having kids, that kids build even more strength in a person than what they already had. I can certainly understand people shying away from having kids. This system sucks. People who are miserable having kids are weird.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Just give it up, man. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU.

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brothermanOG 2004 web-toedchloe

And you are the snottiest person on this site. And I'm also talking to people with NO kids. SpecialK would agree with me.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001 brotherman

See fivezero's comment above.

Didn't mean to call you snotty, but it seems like you lash out a bit too much with me. I don't know if you are kidding or not.

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brothermanOG 2004 web-toedchloe

And you are the snottiest person on this site. And I'm also talking to people with NO kids. SpecialK would agree with me.

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003 brotherman

that's not the greatest example of how having kids made someone stronger to bring up right now

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Oh, I guess something happened I don't know about. Ok, stupid me.

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

haha this doesn't make any sense because the kid-less could easily say "well if you didn't have any kids you would understand"

just because you have more crap to deal with doesn't mean you are more in touch with "reality"

I have plenty of crap to deal with, people/things to take care of, bills to pay etc. etc. etc. so how is that not reality? haha please enlighten me

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chuggieOG 2003

I hate to say this, but she is right. Not in how she says it, but she is right. Follow carefully for the following is a brief line of reasoning:

A single person is responsible for one life.

A married person is responsible for two.

A married person with children would be three or more (obviously).

Since by admission it makes you open your eyes up more as to how bad or tough things are-and this would grow exponentially with each child-the logical conclusion would be not to have any children and perhaps even more drastically, not to get married. This reminds me of something said very long ago about a married man being anxious for the needs of his wife as opposed to a single man's anxieties...

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Please don't refer to me as "she"; it's derogatory.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Not to mention the fact that you completely echoed what I said, albeit in a more verbose way.

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brothermanOG 2004

You get sensitive way too easily. Take a chill pill.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Maybe if I take a chill pill, my eyes won't be open enough to reality.

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brothermanOG 2004

Ooh...Sarcasm! I like it! Haha...

tesoro tesoroOG 2001

just a heads up...the term "chill pill" went out at about the same time the slap bracelet craze ended.

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brothermanOG 2004

Sorry, I'm a child of the 80's.

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chuggieOG 2003

haha now they are called prozac...

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

yeah that is ridiculous

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