Cmon, anyone knows little out of the way restaurants serve great food. And everyone knows McD's has heart attack food. It's not the same thing. If people in here just like that sound, then fine, but more people prefer the regular stuff that isn't weird sounding. Talent is viewed according to a set standard that rock groups down to the beginning with guys like Elvis set. If groups don't fall into that category, they're never going to make it. And to say guys don't want to be sell outs? That's silly. So everyone who was ever popular is a sell out? That's ridiculous. Anyone who can pick up an instrument has some measure of talent, but you just can't compare these guys with the greats. You just can't. It would be like me saying Lastings Millege of the Mets is better than Mickey Mantle. I may be able to compare some attributes between the two, but overall Mickey destroys Millege.
With baseball, the stats are all that matter.
Would it be possible for Millege to have a better batting average, and more homeruns, more ERAs, etc, than Mantle -- but still have less talent?
No. Because baseball is about talent more than anything else. If Millege had better stats than Mantle, you'd say that he had more talent.
With music, the stats only matter to the business types, and to the millions of people who only listen to Top 40 music.
As has been said before, music is art. It is subjective. It is not about stats. It does not matter if a band has been signed to any label, or if they've sold a single CD.
Music is simply about the listener. Every listener is different, and will appreciate different things.
For many, many years, Hip Hop and Rap completely owned the popular music industry. Are you a fan of that type of music because it is so popular among the general population?
What about boy bands like N*Sync, 98 Degrees, and Backstreet Boys that also ruled the charts for a long time? These bands are designed to be popular, they are thrown together by industry execs and pushed, and pushed, and pushed onto the radio. This continues to happen with "popular music". Are you a fan of those types of bands because they top the charts? The charts are driven by the industry just as much as they are by the masses.
No one is arguing about The Greats here. No one is saying that U2 is not a great band. Or that the Beatles weren't. Or that Jimmy Hendrix, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, The Beach Boys, The Eagles, etc, weren't. It doesn't matter if any of them were sellouts; they're all great bands.
But the fact that these bands all achieved popular and legendary status does not mean that everyone likes them. Why is that? Because music is subjective.
In baseball, you can argue that one player is better than another. But you can't argue with stats. Numbers don't lie.
In art, everyone can appreciate the Mona Lisa. But a much smaller number of people can appreciate Kazimir Malevich's "Black square".
In music, numbers only mean anything to those who are happy with what the industry continues to push. For those who are disillusioned by the industry, there's indie. Indie does not have to sound "weird", or have no harmony. It is simply music outside the Industry.
And in the ears of those who appreciate it, it can be just as good, or even better, than The Greats.
so you're not saying good music means:
a) it's mainstream
b) brotherman likes it
that sounds like dangerous reasoning to me zabel! billions and billions served!
Wow, I'm impressed Ian. You didn't know which direction to run the bases when we played softball a couple of months ago. LOL! Just kidding.
Someone might like Indie better than the greats, but it's accepted in society that the greats are better.
"more ERAs"?
i think if anyone manages to have multiple ERAs, he's more talented than he gets credit for...
lol, i knew somebody would call me on that. i have no idea what an ERA is
Earned Run Average
I know what it is now, I did a little research :)
he got it mixed up with IRAs, as in individual retirement fund
there's tons of guys you have never heard of that play music like that
Name some.
i'm not huge into that genre, but just off the top of my head maybe guys like billy hector, johnny winters, walter trout, or some of the other rock/blues guys. or maybe government mule or railroad earth. i don't know there's tons out there you've never heard of and a lot that are even closer to the genre than i mentioned
bela fleck and the flecktones, they rock. buddy rich was as good and some say even better than neal peart. the guys in living colour are amazing musicians. vernon reid of living colour is said to be one of the greatest guitarists of all time, and many people say that will calhoun, also of living colour is as good or better than neil peart, and corey glover the vocalist is an astronomically better vocalist than geddy lee.
if you know so much about rush, you would know that are not in the rock and roll hall of fame. does that mean they are not good? no. but they are not as mainstream as you might think.
Yes, I do know that they are not in there.
I was at a BBQ today and I told one guy about the discussion I was having about Indie music. Spoon started playing on the radio in his car when we were leaving and he was like "This music is horrible!" LOL!!!
spoon is on the radio?
they have so gone mainstream!
Reid plays a good guitar, just listened, but the band sucks. Just sounds annoying to me.
okay, they suck. you are such an authority on music. you really sound like you know what you are talking about when you say that one of the greatest rock groups of all time, composed of some of the greatest musicians of our time, sucks.
But according to everyone else in here, music is art and there are no greatest of all times. It's in fact subjective.
I view these guys as some view Rush. They play their instruments well, but don't sound that great when everything is mixed together.
I could say you don't know what you are talking about when you try to deny the laws of physics in sports.
You just have to accept that punk sounding bands and other kinds of rock just are not widely accepted as good music. If you like it that is your preference.
studies have been done that have determined the what the hardest sports are. if i remember correctly it was in order boxing, hockey, soccer, and then football. i don't remember where baseball or other sports were on the list, but it doesn't even matter to me.
the way i see it is like this; i don't care if rush is better than any of the bands i like at playing music, because i can play music better than you can. and i don't care if baseball is a harder sport to play than football, because i can play sports better than you can.
neil peart would laugh at you if he heard your argument. and he would probably be pissed at you if he heard you say that living colour, strung out, etc. suck.
The sports you listed have to do with endurance.
Cockiness... I like it. It will be your undoing. Haha...
Hey whatever. Most musicians respect each others work. So I don't care what he says.