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This deserves its own thread. Lets face it, record sales determine what people want to listen to. No one is putting a gun to people's heads to buy an album. The public determines what they want. And of course we all have different tastes, but Indie Rock just isn't up to par to the Rock that gets the big record labels. I don't like everything I hear on the radio, in fact a lot of that is crap too, but there are those who stand out, who have those perfect lyrics mixed with the right harmony or the perfect guitar solo. And from the half dozen or so groups I listened to last night from the Indie genre, they didn't have that. Some was kind of catchy. But kind of catchy doesn't equal solid record sales and albums that go platinum. And just because I may like a song or two from that genre, doesn't mean everyone will. And that is why those groups don't get the BIG label. A good percentage of the population needs to also like that. So I am picky with my music. I don't just want to listen to whatever is thrown at me. Present me with wine or soda, I'm going to drink the wine. I may drink the soda once in awhile, but the wine is my preference.
And like I said in the other thread, a lot of you grew up together and molded one another. So it comes at no surprise that you'd share similiar musical interests. Ian remarked to me the other day that pretty much everyone on here, he knows in person. So this is not a forum that stretches the globe that would give a more accurate depiction of musical taste.
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zach galinafikis is hilarious.. and knows whats up
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Zach: (laughs) It’s not so much that, but being at a festival like SxSW and being on stage for five hours…... Just hearing a drum beat for five hours, and it seems like the same drum beat I mean just like anything, everything gets saturated, so people start sounding just alike and there’s not a lot of new newness to it. Just because it’s indie rock doesn’t make it cool at all. I think indie rock has been floating on this, “Oh, we’re cool just cuz’ we’re indie rock.” You can’t just say you’re indie rock and wear you ironic t-shirts, and not be talented. There’s a bunch of crap involved in it. Like, I’ll look at these people and go, hey that guy’s good looking and he’s skinny and he’s got his tight jeans on and his two hundred dollar haircut, but he’s a terrible musician. That’s probably why I’m jaded, there’s so many of these independent type people are all cloning each other now.
whoa 150 new comments?
Music is serious business huh..
Alert the interetmnetz!
151.
band from society - best band ever
double true!
any new shows coming up?
we'll do a reunion show someday
I'm launching a formal complaint.
I NEVER got my interview so I couldn't finish the DVD sooooo if you'd hurry get married and come back down from cloud 9 that'd be great thanx =P
But seriously it wasn't life altering questions just a behind the scenes look. BTW is there any truth to the roomers well...nevermind
I STILL WANNA DO IT!!!!!!!!
interview eh? Sure, if you want we could even do it over chat if u want
and what rumors?
WOW this is clearly a hyper rant :o
I sound super loopy, can't believe I spelled rumors...well roomers YIKES! That's cool wouldn't mind doing the interviews that way.
I have to find the questions lol
haha... well if it's roomers you meant, then they may be true. because i'm leaving my two current roomers (todd and sam) and moving into my new place this week
Where is your new place located?
A little place called kokomo.
bedminster, nj
What hall will you be attending?
bridgewater spanish
Wait are you still gonna be in our circuit?
i'm not sure, bridgewater was at our district though
Matt **NEWSFLASH** District is larger than Circuit so it doesnt necessarily mean that you will be in the same circuit
**NEWSFLASH**
I know that, that's why i said what i said - "i'm not sure, they were in our district though"
Yeaaaaayah that's what the man said GIAC so just eeeeaze up Holmes... don't be blaziN' my homie
WORD.
hahaha
so weird. everyone is moving to my area. btw im going to be at the bedminster starbucks when it opens in sept. so i guess ill see you guys all the time!
There's this park in Bedminster my hall always has picnics at but, other than this I know nothing about the area. The parks cool though it has ramps for skateboarding and a built in volleyball court. Does this sound familiar or are all the parks down there like this?
lol
you ever see cant hardly wait, when the band breaks up and in the same night gets back together and are like 'lets do a renunion show...a little bit of the old stuff, but really mix it up." hahaha so funny
funny, this is the exact thing i thought of too.
haha that's kind of what was going thru my head when i typed that
btw, the drummer from that movie is turk from scrubs!
Turk has talent, he can sing, he can dance and he can play the drums! So cool...
He was also in Clueless.
did I ever give you doubles of the last show you did at boundbrook??
did you guys know that hamilton street cafe closed? sucky, b/c now i live like .3 seconds away.
really?? that stinks... good times....
wow i can't believe it! all the good times we had there too
aww, so many good times there!
btw, that was the first place me & Austin ever hung out when we were first starting to like eachother!
LOL 3 good times in a row, man there must have been a lot of GOOD TIMES there.
yea they closed b/c the noreaster that came around a couple months back it completely flooded. now its for sale.
doubles of pics? I don't think so, I'd love to have em though
Yep! I'll dig them up and mail them.
i tried signing them to a record deal a while back
They were too Indie for me.
lets argue about rock music.
think about mcdonalds... billions and billions served
vs.
a little out of the way restaurant that nobody knows about but serves great food.
that's what the man does, puts music into easy to consume little packages for mass consumption.
Cmon, anyone knows little out of the way restaurants serve great food. And everyone knows McD's has heart attack food. It's not the same thing. If people in here just like that sound, then fine, but more people prefer the regular stuff that isn't weird sounding. Talent is viewed according to a set standard that rock groups down to the beginning with guys like Elvis set. If groups don't fall into that category, they're never going to make it. And to say guys don't want to be sell outs? That's silly. So everyone who was ever popular is a sell out? That's ridiculous. Anyone who can pick up an instrument has some measure of talent, but you just can't compare these guys with the greats. You just can't. It would be like me saying Lastings Millege of the Mets is better than Mickey Mantle. I may be able to compare some attributes between the two, but overall Mickey destroys Millege.
With baseball, the stats are all that matter.
Would it be possible for Millege to have a better batting average, and more homeruns, more ERAs, etc, than Mantle -- but still have less talent?
No. Because baseball is about talent more than anything else. If Millege had better stats than Mantle, you'd say that he had more talent.
With music, the stats only matter to the business types, and to the millions of people who only listen to Top 40 music.
As has been said before, music is art. It is subjective. It is not about stats. It does not matter if a band has been signed to any label, or if they've sold a single CD.
Music is simply about the listener. Every listener is different, and will appreciate different things.
For many, many years, Hip Hop and Rap completely owned the popular music industry. Are you a fan of that type of music because it is so popular among the general population?
What about boy bands like N*Sync, 98 Degrees, and Backstreet Boys that also ruled the charts for a long time? These bands are designed to be popular, they are thrown together by industry execs and pushed, and pushed, and pushed onto the radio. This continues to happen with "popular music". Are you a fan of those types of bands because they top the charts? The charts are driven by the industry just as much as they are by the masses.
No one is arguing about The Greats here. No one is saying that U2 is not a great band. Or that the Beatles weren't. Or that Jimmy Hendrix, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, The Beach Boys, The Eagles, etc, weren't. It doesn't matter if any of them were sellouts; they're all great bands.
But the fact that these bands all achieved popular and legendary status does not mean that everyone likes them. Why is that? Because music is subjective.
In baseball, you can argue that one player is better than another. But you can't argue with stats. Numbers don't lie.
In art, everyone can appreciate the Mona Lisa. But a much smaller number of people can appreciate Kazimir Malevich's "Black square".
In music, numbers only mean anything to those who are happy with what the industry continues to push. For those who are disillusioned by the industry, there's indie. Indie does not have to sound "weird", or have no harmony. It is simply music outside the Industry.
And in the ears of those who appreciate it, it can be just as good, or even better, than The Greats.
so you're not saying good music means:
a) it's mainstream
b) brotherman likes it
that sounds like dangerous reasoning to me zabel! billions and billions served!
Wow, I'm impressed Ian. You didn't know which direction to run the bases when we played softball a couple of months ago. LOL! Just kidding.
Someone might like Indie better than the greats, but it's accepted in society that the greats are better.
"more ERAs"?
i think if anyone manages to have multiple ERAs, he's more talented than he gets credit for...
lol, i knew somebody would call me on that. i have no idea what an ERA is
Earned Run Average
I know what it is now, I did a little research :)
he got it mixed up with IRAs, as in individual retirement fund
there's tons of guys you have never heard of that play music like that
Name some.
i'm not huge into that genre, but just off the top of my head maybe guys like billy hector, johnny winters, walter trout, or some of the other rock/blues guys. or maybe government mule or railroad earth. i don't know there's tons out there you've never heard of and a lot that are even closer to the genre than i mentioned
bela fleck and the flecktones, they rock. buddy rich was as good and some say even better than neal peart. the guys in living colour are amazing musicians. vernon reid of living colour is said to be one of the greatest guitarists of all time, and many people say that will calhoun, also of living colour is as good or better than neil peart, and corey glover the vocalist is an astronomically better vocalist than geddy lee.
if you know so much about rush, you would know that are not in the rock and roll hall of fame. does that mean they are not good? no. but they are not as mainstream as you might think.
Yes, I do know that they are not in there.
I was at a BBQ today and I told one guy about the discussion I was having about Indie music. Spoon started playing on the radio in his car when we were leaving and he was like "This music is horrible!" LOL!!!
spoon is on the radio?
they have so gone mainstream!
Reid plays a good guitar, just listened, but the band sucks. Just sounds annoying to me.
okay, they suck. you are such an authority on music. you really sound like you know what you are talking about when you say that one of the greatest rock groups of all time, composed of some of the greatest musicians of our time, sucks.
But according to everyone else in here, music is art and there are no greatest of all times. It's in fact subjective.
I view these guys as some view Rush. They play their instruments well, but don't sound that great when everything is mixed together.
I could say you don't know what you are talking about when you try to deny the laws of physics in sports.
You just have to accept that punk sounding bands and other kinds of rock just are not widely accepted as good music. If you like it that is your preference.
studies have been done that have determined the what the hardest sports are. if i remember correctly it was in order boxing, hockey, soccer, and then football. i don't remember where baseball or other sports were on the list, but it doesn't even matter to me.
the way i see it is like this; i don't care if rush is better than any of the bands i like at playing music, because i can play music better than you can. and i don't care if baseball is a harder sport to play than football, because i can play sports better than you can.
neil peart would laugh at you if he heard your argument. and he would probably be pissed at you if he heard you say that living colour, strung out, etc. suck.
The sports you listed have to do with endurance.
Cockiness... I like it. It will be your undoing. Haha...
Hey whatever. Most musicians respect each others work. So I don't care what he says.
I think the soda and wine thing it totally the other way around. I mean soda is mass produced & wine is rare. Therefore, "mainstream" is the soda & "indie" is the wine. One can of Coke will always tastes exactly the same as the next can of Coke. Do billions of people enjoy Coke? Yes! And, they'll always buy Coke, 'cause they know what they're getting. How many times have they change the recipe of Coke? If I buy Coke today, I know what it's gonna tastes like. If I buy a bottle of wine today and don't like it... it doesn't mean I'm gonna stop drinking wine... 'cause I know each bottle of wine is completely different and I might enjoy the next bottle of wine that I try. Listening to half a dozen Indie bands and categorically stating they don't have what it takes to be recognised, is like pouring a bottle of wine down the sink before even tasting it.
Shutup dude! LOL!
I'm gonna print this discussion, frame it, and put it in a time capsule. This graduated into such a prized tchotchke (I think that might be an oxymoron, but whatever) at this point. Like Edison's recording of Mary Had a Little Lamb onto phonograph. Only not as profound as that, of course.
I'm good at creating contriversial topics.
and im sure you're exactly the same off the computer. when you dont have the anonymity.
Ah, go build your plans for a city in the new world.
Ah, go build your plans for a city in the new world.
I'm pretty sarcastic in person as well. Forums are usually the only place to have regular debates. I don't think topics like this come up often during gatherings. Otherwise, you'd have people lunging to choke one another. Haha...
Yeh, well, So was Rosie O'Donnell
Rosie is whacked.
Exactly my point
I'm far from whacked sonny boy.
lol i think thermins older then you...
The kids aged me 10 years. I'm really 38. LOL!
he's like rosie in that he is fat and ugly.
Wow Alex... You are just cruising for a bruising today.
Thats actually what i was going to say. i take issue with the whole beverage comparison
I should make movie/documentaries like Michael Moore. A thread with 140 comments in less than 24 hours is a crowning acheivement. I could turn this into a movie and explore the music underground for what it is. LOL!
I threw up a suck one time. Yeah it started singing, totally the best indie I've ever heard in my life
How is the popcorn and milk duds Ian?
anyone who likes music is a loser.
Most intelligent person of the day. HAHa...
people should listen to what they like and not care what other people like
You're right. But its fun to debate.
no it isn't
does anyone else want to punch that tranny amy winehouse in the face everytime you see her?
I do
She's a tranny? LOL!!!!
she just look likes one
hey man, dont bash on amy. altho she does look like she needs some rehab...shes great LOL
I'm not dissing her voice or amazing music. I'm just saying she has a perfect face for radio.
HAHAHAHAHA awww poor chick.
So I'm sitting here drinking my coffee listening to At the Drive-In (acrobatic tenement) Thinking about how to respond to this illogical jibberish.
I decided to follow the Christ.
Jesus said : Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
Jesus would listen to indie rock, because it is narrow and the masses aren't doing it. CD's sold at Walmart, as Jesus states, will be destroyed and their mainstream genre. This would include Doughtrey, Nickelback, Creed, et al.
So in conclusion, follow the Christ, listen to indie
oh my
/agreed
You might be in NYC when it gets flattened.
there's no walmarts in nyc.
rush will be safe. have you ever listen to coheed and cambria, the singers voice reminds me of geddy's
jersey isnt that far from nyc...
so will you!
OR MAYBE THE ENTIRE US OF A WILL SINK INTO THE OCEAN AND WE WILL ALL BECOME MERMAIDSSSSSS. HI2YOU NEMO!!!!!
Speak for yourself. I'll be a MERMAN!
i like music... and my music is better then all of your music. My dad can beat up your dad... and I like to bang on the drum all day.
la la la
ugh just stop. victoria beckham isn't hot.
she looks like a slave pig.
second.. ummm Sam Cooke rocks
I like to listen to Rush when I'm preparing a salad.
Nice.
When I listen to Rush naked I really love it.
i don't think you're allowed to say n@k4d on Ezabel
i met with a couple yesterday who want me to do their wedding and the story of how they met and got engaged was so cute actually made me cry lol!
Ok, does this have anything to do with the topic at hand?
OH CRAP hahaha i thought i posted this in musings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i was all about to say "what the heck, this is the musings, there is no topic at hand"
hahahahaha..
ah well, ignore, ignore
I grew up with one person here on eZabel, so, don't think that sorta thing applies. As to others that have grown up together.. I don't think they've molded each other's music interests either tho. I mean speaking personally I have friends who's music tastes I can't stand... but I am still friends with them. I have friends who can't stand some of my tastes. I actually grew up listening to Oldies, 80s, R&B, Rap, Rock, All different Rock, Grunge. Maybe like a lot in my age group. Because music went through so many changes and trends during when I grew up... and then you get the Oldies playing in the background too, because of it being your parent's music while they were growing up. There's music that I no longer like today, music that I still like to this day, and then there's the new things that come today and the next day. I've developed my music tastes and continue to develop. And I don't really care who listens to what, so I have no converting agenda whatsoever.. I present to whoever will listen (Just like door-to-door with the Truth haha). Yeh, it's fun talking about music... but "talking about music is like dancing about architecture." I'd rather play it. But I do think it is also fun to learn about music in an anthropological sense as well. At the end of the day, someone will love, someone will hate, it's however it reaches their heart... it'll be sweet or sour. I don't like music because someone tells me too either.. I'll love who I wanna love, be repulsed by whatever's repulsive to my own 2 ears.
I'm mainly speaking of the people who grew up in Hackettstown and Stanhope. There's a lot of them. I would say people I hung out with when I was younger, influenced my music taste. I hung out with people who were 4-5 years older a lot of times.
this is great! im like you, my music tastes vary...im the youngest of 5 girls so i grew up listening to anything and everything (thanks to ea of my sisters who ALL had different tastes). my ipod has music from abba to zz top...basically every genre there is.
oh victoria beckham's music is amazing
Her body is pretty amazing too.
see that's what I'm sayin!!! I've heard a lot of guys recently be like Ugh she's gross, eat a hamburger
me - i'm only like 65 pounds away from looking like her
i'll get there!!! haha
Keira Knighley is thinner than her. She is beyond the border as far as thinness goes.
i love anorexia
I mean really what's not to love, lol
wooow, that MUST be photoshopped
yeah that looks insane right? haha that cant' be real
ok nevermind i do not like it
this is so weird how can you just be around a person like this and say nothing. haha
how can the person live? like seriously, doesnt the body kinda eat itself and shut down after a certain point?
yeah it's kind of weird how can you not eat.. i can't imagine it personally
however, i do love "anorexia-lite" just know your limits heh
hahaha
lol
haha you crack me up! seriously tho i cant imagine being anorexic. i like food too much. like i cant go an hour w/out wanting to eat. lol
yeah.. if i can't eat whatever i want life is not worth living. haha..
hahhaha Austin says "Controlled anorexia".
speaking of the beckhams....they're ALL over the news this morning cause i guess they arrived in LA last night.
cold war kids
david bowie
daft punk
diddy
disturbed
ELVIS
haha
i love itunes
David Bowie blows chunks. I hate him.
oy
well at least you didn't say you hate Elvis, because that would be blasphemy and your fingers would just fall off as you type it
Anyone who says the King sucks is deserving of being drawn and quartered. Haha...
oh one of my favorite ways to die!
William Wallace style. Haha...
this is wierd but.. this happens like every year
during the summer all i want to hear is rap and sweet beats
during the winter all i want to hear is really really really heavy metal
during spring and fall, i'm like whatever!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
crap what was the name of that band.. haha.. oh man! i hate it when i can remember a snippet of a song and that's it
FLYLEAF
haha okay
Wow! I actually like this band.
sweet i am subjecting my husband to all these songs while he is trying to read, it's probably pretty annoying. oh yeah and i'm singing along. loud.
I'm sure he's thrilled. Haha...
Who said Pavement was a good group. I'm listening to them now. Totally weird crap...
hahahahahahahaha
ooh try listening to Frou Frou
haha
have fun!
OMG... I'd so get shot at if I played this with my windows down in my car. You people are putting me into a diabetic coma with this stuff. LOL!
oh this is way fun. How about Placebo? they're not even really indie rock. I don't know what they are. Happy Depression my friend calls it.
I like Placebo.
yay we are once again on speaking terms!!!
hahahahahaha
My ex used to play Placebo in her car while we dated.
A friend in need is a friend indeed...
how about we all just like what we like haha who cares about anything else
personally Sublime ownz me and so does Tool, Static X, Mastodon.. and Jay-Z and T.I. haha
If we all liked the same exact stuff, we'd be boring people.
exactly!
btw rush is not good
hahahah
See Rush is a good example. I love them, but I know a lot of people don't. Same difference with Indie. But in Rush's case, they at least play like a normal rock group, except Geddy Lee has an extreme voice. And they have had hits on the charts before.
this comment kind of kills your whole argument.
you can't argue both sides! a lot of indie bands have charted. Like that one song by the plain white t's "hey there delilah", I would say they were at one time indie, maybe even a little "punk" to an extent, but they play other styles too.
basically you're speaking out of ignorance because you just don't know
Wait...wait....wait... "At one time they were Indie". You just killed your point. Take your ignorant label someplace else.
how is that ignorant? Take any band... any one... if they have several cd's or records out. Listen to the first one... then listen to the rest, VERY VERY VERY rarely do they ALL sound the same, bands go through changes, styles, sounds... everything. A band that maybe when they first started out with a certain style ended up being totally different.
ie Goldfinger was SKA in the very beginning, latest cd i dont think has one horn on the entire record.
i know you are just trying to fill your day with arguing and/or flexing your muscles with alex... but educate yourself a little bit before you try to argue on a subject you dont really know anything about.
what he said
i gotcha back BRUTHAAAAA
Rush has changed their style over the years, so I know what you are saying. I'm not sure what exactly I need to educate myself in. I didn't know there were classes on listening to music. All I'm saying is that the masses choose what is mainstream and what they want by what they buy. I don't agree with the masses sometimes, but it is what it is. I would say it's pretty ignorant to say Spoon for example, is better than U2. If you like Spoon, wonderful. But to say people have no taste in music because of that is ignorant. That's what people like (U2). So I'd say people like you would be outnumbered big time.
"All I'm saying is that the masses choose what is mainstream and what they want by what they buy."
No no no! The man totally decides this! Big music companies decide what the people want and then they give it to them. The people just assume it is what they want, buy it, and listen to it.
Hahaha... This made me laugh. Basically you are saying the man thinks for us, when we are creatures that possess freewill to choose.
You don't think that's how it is? (haha I sound so nutty!) But think about it, advertising and all that, it's basically like brainwashing.
it is true! you make it true dude!
for instance, take dashboard confessional (not my favorite but i'll use it as an example). He put out like 4 or 5 albums before he got his break and released some songs that hit high in the charts, the one was the main song for spiderman 2.
does that mean that his other albums weren't good? NO! it just means that he wasn't discovered. Dude there are thousands of awesome artists out there that just don't get the right breaks and become as you say "mainstream" but they are still great.
and the man does think for some. he thinks for those that will only listen to "safe" music, that gets tons of radio play and that everybody else likes instead of thinking for themselves, and liking something whether it's popular or whether its something that nobody's heard of. and you will never hear of them as long as you buy all of your music at wal-mart
But I already said I don't like a lot of today's mainstream. The man deflects off me.
I definitely agree some go unnoticed for a time. But if they truly have what it takes, they're going to be discovered eventually.
I like Rush. Does that sound safe to you? When I'm blasting it while sitting in traffic, I'm sure some people are ready to kill me.
nah they don't all get discovered. or sometimes a label will offer to sign them as long as they change their music or agree to let them do crazy post production stuff on it. a lot of artists aren't willing to sign their souls over to the devil and sacrifice their creative integrity. others just are content playing the music they love and don't want to get huge
Matt, the man's already gotten to him. Just walk away.
"I would say it's pretty ignorant to say Spoon for example, is better than U2."
WHY IS THAT IGNORANT?!?! just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's wrong or right. how could you possibly know who is a better band? beauty is in th eye of the beholder. have you ever heard that before? furthermore, how skilled you are at playing your instruments does not determine how good one band is compared to another. like i said before, greenday does not play the most technical music in the world, their songs are quite simple really, but they still are amazing.
some people are too dumb to argue with, because it is impossible to reason with them. brotherman does not understand the concept of opinions, and is too poop brained and stubborn to stop arguing. and if you let it, this dang thread will go on forever.
hahhaha. It's like trying to teach the Truth to a so-called "Born-Again Christian." If you've had that experience, you know what I'm talking about. The conversations will go on for ages upon ages if you let it, and just go around in circles and never make any progress. You still hafta talk to them tho, because you never know... hopefully one day they will come to their senses and everyone deserves to hear it and have the chance to change.
OMG i have. SO annoying and its SO sad that you show them scriptures that're SO simple and they dont see it. you jsut want to kick them sometimes. lol
Ok, this is not that kind of argument. My argument was that mainstream is more popular and has better bands than Indie. You guys say no. So it's like saying there's a guy in the minor leagues of baseball who is better than A-Rod. Maybe there is someone who ONE DAY will be better, but not now. The bands who make their way out of Indie are like minor leaguers getting the call up to the big show. Sure, the minors are full of talent, but that talent does not always lead to becoming a major leaguer. Does that make sense?
I knew a guy in high school who made it to AA ball. I thought for sure he'd go all the way, he was talented. But he didn't. Can I rightfully say he was as good as any major leaguer? No way! But he was still talented. The bands have some measure of talent in Indie, but most will always fall under the radar, because people just don't want it. It's not the man. It's people who make their say. Ever watch American Idol? It's full of mainstream sounds. I don't watch it very often, but when I have that is what I would hear. That's what people want. If the people on here like Underground music, so be it, but that doesn't make the masses idiots because they like regular stuff. Spoon is just plain horrible. It's like they are just having a jam session and not playing coherently. That's why I don't like a lot of this stuff. If you like it, knock yourself out.
just let it go. you stick with what you love and everyone else will stick with what they love. no one is right NOR wrong. and like, i think it was alex or theremin, stated....beauty is in the eye of the beholder. our tastes vary. we're not all going to like everything everyone does. but thats the beauty....thats what makes us mesh so well as human beings!
so let it go.
I totally agree with that, and have no problem with anyone liking Indie. But the numbers say people like Mainstream better, so there has to be something to that, not that people don't explore other music or that people are brainwashed by ads.
so what? we can all argue too that your brainwashed cause you think rush is the best band EVER! LOL
Hey, I think in my little world they're the best. I know they are not considered that in real life. Where's my burrito? LOL!
the reason i posted this is because of the lyrics:
They play Good Charlotte on the radio
and that's the way I like it
They play Sleepy Jackson on the radio
and that's the way I like it
and that's the way I like it
I hear Beyonce on the radio
and that's the way I like it
cos that's the way I like it
and they don't play me on the radio (whoo!)
and that's the way I like it
Some people (EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE FANTASTIC)don't want to be mainstream.
i for example am upstream.
Hrmmmm. hahaha. This is forum is so addicting by now. You think The Beatles were never asked to be signed, since they would keep putting out stuff on their own label, "Apple?" I mean, I think The Beatles would be considered an Indie band, no? So, I guess they're rubbish. Beethoven has to be a rubbish composer, because classical music doesn't appeal to the masses, he doesn't get airtime on the Top 40 radio stations, and his piano playing is just all over the place with no poppy catchiness.
Would you say William Hung has talent? Curious. Let me refresh memory with this vid --
By no surprise he didn't make it through Idol. But he actually was signed onto a label based on that performance and made an album. "The album has sold approximately 200,000 copies and peaked in the top 50 of the U.S. Billboard Top 200 Albums Chart.
To promote his album, Hung performed before an audience of nearly 20,000 during half-time at a Golden State Warriors game on April 6. Several of his songs reached the top 10 on Apple's iTunes charts, and the album reached #3 on Amazon.com's sales rankings."
This just proves that the music biz is complete fluke sometimes and sometimes more about the biz than about the music, especially when it comes to mainstream.
I think U2 has talent and I like them. I think Rush has talent but I don't them. William Hung's talent was to sing no greater than a cracky voiced drunkard at a kareoke bar, but having an expert marketer, marketing that as his Shtick. And fooling America into making him a rubbish singing Rich man. More comedic than musical really. But, I'd feel like I was scammed if I caught myself in the shoppes buying his album.
Easy, if 50 million people like U2 vs 1 million people liking Spoon, enough said. The people have spoken.
And you've scientifically executed that census taking, have you?
yep, you are exactly right. because more people like U2, they are better than spoon. we'll all be good little automaton robots and go along with whatever everybody else's opinion is. because the majority opinion is ALWAYS fact. it's indisputable. everyone has been convinced. YOU HAVE EXERCIIISED THE DEMONS!!!
nope. i'm agreeing with him. he's right. he's always right about everything.
No, I'm not. When we have our baseball is better than football arguments, there's no right or wrong to that, because it's all about personal preference. But then I used physics with you to prove hitting a ball is the hardest thing to do in sports, you still said I was wrong. So I use things as a basis in my arguments. The problem is, we don't all go by the same basis.
oh my god!!! brotherman is too annoying. dan hall i can take. but brotherman is the devil.
Hahahahahahahahaha..... This is so much fun. Dan Hall is awesome, I will agree.
People's opinions are what matter. If 50 million opinions say yes and 1 million say no, then people think U2 is better. It's the same concept with anything. You have an IPhone and a generic cell phone, guess who's going to win the popularity contest... Like my baseball analogy, if a guy is tearing it up in the minors, he's going to get the call up. Numbers don't lie.
no i didn't kill my point. the best bands are progressive and don't just keep playing the same thing for years and years, they evolve. i don't see how that doesn't make sense. do you even know what you are talking about?
i feel like i'm arguing with a woman who won't eat meat because it's cruel to animals and yet wears fur coats.
Ok, evolve away, but if the masses don't like it, then it's not good in the eyes of the public. It'll be underground forever.
strung out is a punk band and plays sold out stadium shows so that doesn't make sense. green day is a punk band and is considered mainstream, so is offspring, blink 182... all those guys have made a pretty good living playing the kind of music they like
and what i was saying before was that a band like dashboard confessional, or plain white t's or jimmy eat world could be indie, or punk maybe and chart and get widespread notoriety at least on some of their stuff
I think this topic is straying way off topic. Is Strung Out considered a mainstream band? I'm sure some punk is mainstream, even if I think it sucks.
i'm just saying, who is the public? just because it's not what you would consider "mainstream" doesn't mean there aren't millions of people who like it. it's ok, stick to your bubblegum pop
The public is who buys there albums.
"their" is the correct term get it right!!! LOL
Thanks Gina, you grammatical genius.
i highly doubt strung out has ever sold out a stadium, considering u2 didnt even come to stadiums last time around for fear of not being able to sell out...
but thank you for voting one for the "blink 182 not sellouts" campaign...that was totally a hot topic like 6 years ago
i meant a place like the tweeter center or something
I really love Sublime.
Ghost Town Locals (really local ska band) played this awesome ska cover of Santeria. It was amazing.
yeah come see Badfish when they play.. I think August 1st!!
i was listening to tool on the way home driving and i was getting scared...
oy brotherman we are no longer hanging out
and at the same time you are kind of my hero
anyone that is this ridiculously opinionated just fascinates me! haha
I tell it how it is. I may not always be right, by I try to be passionate in my views. I think I made a good point here, but what are you gonna do...
Haha... You know I was thinking at the bookstudy tonight that you could play an axe murderer in a movie. Like maybe replace Nancy Travis as Mike Myers wife in "So I married an Axe Murderer". And then at the end, the true axe wielder is your sister played by Web-Toed Chloe. Except it would be an axe made of food garnishes. LOL!!
WHAAAAAAT... focus on the Revelation, come on!
It was a 30 second thought. Haha...
so basically you missed the part about the dogs and cats acting weird
who cares?
yeah, you are right this is such a stupid, played out topic.
Hey little boy blue... You don't have to post if you don't want to. I merely moved this out of the concert thread since it was getting cluttered in there.
OK..i am offically out of retirement for this one. FIRST. the current "rock" muzak scene, ie: daughtry, nickelback, hinder, etc...Its ready made and disposable. Formulaic and predictable. The hambuger helper of music. As a musician, there is nothing more boring than this. When i hear Avril Levigne's rip off of "Hey Mickey" in her bridge, I knew it was coming and im unpleasantly surprised. While i take issue with Indie at times, (like when its wierd just for the sake of being wierd), it acts as a bit of a sorbet to fall out boy or anything else that the radio SHOVES down your throat. (as proof of this, have you ever heard of a song that Z100 plays 50 times a day not do well?!? no.) And you are right, much of indie is not catchy. BUT CATHY-NESS IS THE OPIATE OF THE MUSIC LISTENER!! Being catchy is number 5 on a top 7 list for any real musician. I do like some mainstream. and I do like some indie. But its risky to use the words you use about indie music, because it exposes your ignorance about it a bit. And if you compare mainstream music to wine, mainstream stuff at large is the "Arbor Mist" of the industry...tastes good and sweet, gets the girls all giggly, but its lacking quality. Just pick up a Pavement ablum or two and re-evaluate where you're at. Im back.
OMG thank you...i could NOT think of the tune avril's song was like.
I wish i could forget it. I wake up at 2:00 am with ther night terrors because of that song.
lol.. did you hear she's being sued by like 2 different artists for stealing their songs or whatever, haha, i love it
Ignorance, I've listened to the groups people put on a pedestal in here. It's not easy listening a lot of times. Isn't that what good music is about? Being able to listen to it over and over again? Personally I think Daughtry is great. And I don't listen to most of today's mainstream crap. Daughtry just happens to be one of the few I like from today. And I don't listen to the radio. I go to Walmart look at the CD's and listen to the clips to see if I like it. I used to listen to 105.5 a lot when I was Alex's age, and they played a lot of stuff I liked. But it wasn't Indie. It was good rock, not the 95.5 or Z100 crap. So when I'm talking mainstream "wine", it's not Avril Lavigne or Christina Agulera.
No, good music is not at all about easy listening for many, many people. Maybe for you, but for me, its different. And to say "I don't listen to most of today's mainstream crap" and " I go to Walmart look at the CD's and listen to the clips to see if I like it" in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Try exposing yourself to a record store, not a tower records or sam goody or target and you wont have to decide between what major labels put out and what the smaller divisions of major labels put out.
Just because I go to Walmart, doesn't mean I'm buying a new album. It could be something I've wanted for many years, but just never got around to purchasing. And if music isn't pleasant to your ears, then why bother listening? Some of the stuff you guys like sounds like a veloci-raptor mating call. It doesn't flow. Maybe to you it does, but to me, no way.
It's all perception. Different things are pleasant to different people. Just like different foods. Yeh, maybe something like Super Furry Animals might sound off to this one or that one. Personally, I've gotten teary-eyed over Super Furry Animals' songs and have even cried (and no, not 'cause I couldn't stand the music, it's because they're music strikes an emotional chord with me) and maybe to others their music might just seem silly. Even the Welsh speaking songs, where I can't understand what they're saying hits me in a special way. Different music gets different reactions from different people. Music is a form of art. At an art gallery not everyone loves a certain painting or certain form of art. Some like surrealism, some like impressionism, some like pop art, so on and so on. Maybe more people like Monet, but does that make Dali a no good artist with not as much talent as Monet 'cause he doesn't appeal to the masses?
some people like van gogh, some like thomas kincaid...
Good analogy using artists. So to the masses those artists are better, because their genius appeals to more people. That's the point I'm getting at.
so thomas kincade is better a better artist than sandro botticelli because he sells more artwork?
yeah
Actually I find it extremely paradoxical that you say you enjoy the music of Pink Floyd with everything you seem to stand for. hehe
Pink Floyd is legendary.
Ignorance, I've listened to the groups people put on a pedestal in here. It's not easy listening a lot of times. Isn't that what good music is about? Being able to listen to it over and over again? Personally I think Daughtry is great. And I don't listen to most of today's mainstream crap. Daughtry just happens to be one of the few I like from today. And I don't listen to the radio. I go to Walmart look at the CD's and listen to the clips to see if I like it. I used to listen to 105.5 a lot when I was Alex's age, and they played a lot of stuff I liked. But it wasn't Indie. It was good rock, not the 95.5 or Z100 crap. So when I'm talking mainstream "wine", it's not Avril Lavigne or Christina Agulera.
and i happen to dig christina aguilera. now your point is moot.
so what are you? a communist? quoting karl marx.
Hahaha... Nice...
No, i didnt quote him, i paraphrased him...big difference. BIG difference.
you are so hot.
awesome
this is mostly true
Yea, i'm not a big fan of arbor mist. I like it for the first few sips, but then it's too sweet.
(This is what i got out of your comment....hahaha jk)
*blank expression*
so if youre picky why in the world do you like such crappy music? just because most of the country likes country music doesnt mean its good. if someone told you that because most people are catholic or muslim would you just believe it b/c thats what MOST people do NO! there are some musical geniuses that DONT want to sell out. and if you write a song that little girls can sing "hey hey you you i dont like your boyfriend" then mass media is going to buy it. indie is just the opposite its about good music that doesnt appeal to the masses of little screaming pubescent adolescents.
hahaha. but i think you mean prepubescent. good point though, with the whole religion analogy.
not all popular music is good. there was a time when it was. but now most of it in my opinion sucks (cause i don't like fergy, akon, or fall out boy). some of it is cool though. but U2 isn't what it used to be. they are really good and they still sell out all of their shows, but they don't appeal to the current generation of teens.
so does popularity determine how good a band is? does skill determine how good a band is? no. primus is probably made up of some of the best musicians known to man, but i can't stand listening to their music. the guys in greenday on the other hand are probably not as good of musicians as the guys from rush or pearl jam, but they freakin' rock!. they can write really good music, and they can sell out madison square garden (they are also a punk band, so brotherman probably doesn't like them).
what im saying is using record sales as a meter for determining how talented a band is is ignorant. and most people today are ignorant of good music, which is why indie rock groups are not selling out madison square garden. people are to lazy to go out and explore new music, so they listen to the same old crap that the media feeds them.
"what im saying is using record sales as a meter for determining how talented a band is is ignorant. and most people today are ignorant of good music, which is why indie rock groups are not selling out madison square garden. people are to lazy to go out and explore new music, so they listen to the same old crap that the media feeds them."
Bingo.
So is this your way of sticking it to the man? Listen to Indie instead of mainstream? Haha...
Religion is not a good choice. Music is about taste, religion for most people is tradition passed down through their family.
Sell out... give me a break... This sounds almost like a cult...
I dunno, when one album is popular then record execs green light twenty artists with the same 'look' and 'sound' so I think some of the music is consumer driven but then it becomes forced via a gun to our heads...
dude, do you just like confrontation? i think so, you are our new aviator!!!!
I'm sorry, your response must be made in the form of a question that isn't gay.
I'm sorry, your response must be made in the form of a question that isn't gay.
Is he going to start being super creepy and choosing a new Ezabel girl a week to hit on?
let's not be mean to each other.
That's what Aviator did!! Didn't he write poems about people?
You're worried about not being mean to someone who no longer comes on here, but it's ok to be mean to the redheaded step-child. As my best friend on Ezabel would say, you have not put on the "new personality". LOL!!!
Is that what Aviator did? No worries, I'm not creepy, just nutty.
this thread is dumb
Why, because you can't come up with a good response? ;oP
no, because you are dumb, therefore what you write is dumb. therefore since you created this thread, it is dumb.
Weak...
are you referring to yourself?
Dude, my muscle mass is twice of yours. I would crush you.
Boys boys *ah hem* mostly brodudeman... ummmmmmm NO MORE HATORADE
Don't think because I'm a chick I don't get it.
I totally see the hate in your eyes (digitally speaking of course) the jealousy is simply eating away at the very fabric of who you want to be in this eZabelian world. You've set this unrealistic expectation for yourself to begin with so... to start the cleansing we must address the root of all your Lexdirected frustrations:
LEX ROCKS THE SOCKS OFF EZABEL
And exhale
This is fake hate. We don't hate each other for real. It's all for entertainment.
wow...that was awes. sNoB.
dude, i would have to beat my own self down if i let you "beat me up."
Amazing how we are not of the same gene pool.
this thread is going to be great!
getting out my popcorn and milk duds now
I am pure genius.