If you like Duran Duran, do not buy their new album. It's almost as bad as their Thank You album from the mid 90's. Their Astronaut album from 2004 was great, had the rhythm of their old stuff with a new twist. This new one.... OMG... Justin Timberlake collaberated with them and ruined it... It sounds like hip hop. Why they continue to change things around from album to album is beyond me. They need to stick to what people want to here. Take your creative nonsense elsewhere... I want to hear stuff like A View to A Kill and The Reflex except done differently, but keeping a similiar feel. They accomplished that with their last album. This new one is crap...
Ok... getting past the fact that Justin Timberlake influenced this album. Not so bad the second time through, but still not even close to classic Duran Duran.
This song is off the album. One of only two tracks that I like. Oh well. Not a total loss. This is a great song.
"Why they continue to change things around from album to album is beyond me. They need to stick to what people want to here. Take your creative nonsense elsewhere.."
good lord, have you ever thought that maybe bands don't care what you or any of their fans think. when it comes to art or music, the artist is his own audience. if he likes the final product then that's all that matters. writing music just to appeal to certain group of retards is called selling out. wishing that a band was less creative is the dumbest thing i have heard in a long time.
My point is, why would you divert from what makes you successful? They went in a good direction with their last album. Now this one has a few good tracks, but it is over the top with some hip hop type sounds. Bands need to be creative but yet keep their identities. Is that a better answer for you? Half the tracks did not sound anything like Duran Duran.
You have to make sure people like the product Alex. If I came out with a line of mens cologne, it has to smell good for people to want to buy it. It doesn't matter if I like it. If making music is all simply about being pleased with your own work, then don't sell it.
So what I said is not dumb, maybe over the top, but I have a point.
good bands always try to change up their sound. if all the previous albums sound the same then why buy all of them. just buy one of them if you never get sick of listening to the same thing all the time. the reason bands change is because they don't want to get stagnant. sometimes the new stuff sounds good, sometimes it sucks.
and remember, everything you say is dumb. evreything you say is dumb, over the top, and you never have a point.
You don't make drastic changes. That is my point.
Oh, and what you're saying is not over the top right... If you talked to someone in the world like that, they'd probably pop you in the mouth...
alex def has a good point. they're "artists" bands are always striving to change their direction....some make drastic ones, some make subtle ones. most of the 80's bands would need to make some BIG changes to keep up w/everyones tastes at the moment.
They would make changes, but you'd still recognize them.
You have a point, but so does Alex.
He's looking at it from the perspective of an artist who creates art (or music) motivated by creativity and love for the art, or out of personal expression.
You're looking at it from the perspective of a business person out to make a living.
I hope you can see the difference in these two perspectives. Because they are very different ways of looking at things, and they don't always go together.
You make a point that Duran Duran needs to keep their identity. Well, says who? You? Why do they need to keep their identity? To retain fans, to sell records, you might say. Then you're looking at it from a money point of view. And maybe they're not. Maybe they're looking at it from their own point of view; a point of view you disagree with.
It is completely their prerogative if their next album is Slovenian Polka. It wouldn't sell, of course, but it's their choice. Maybe they realize they love that kind of music and feel they have something to add to the genre. Their own unique sound. So be it.
No one says that people have to like the product when it comes to the arts. In fact, many artists intentionally create things they know people will hate.
Your way of thinking on this actually gave me a bit of insight into how you viewed Indie music a few months back. Not sure if your opinion has changed recently. But, you have to realize that not all musicians are in it for the money or fame. Cookie cutter bands you hear on mainstream radio are usually in it for the money and the fame. Many independent artists are in it for the love of music. And when you hear people say that a band "sold out", maybe now you can understand what they mean. Sometimes when a band sticks to a particular sound to keep their fans happy, and stops experimenting, they've lost that original motivation of why they got into making music in the first place.
Look at some of the music theremin posted about recently. It will never be mainstream. Yet they have fans that appreciate their art. They've found their niche. They don't have to appeal to the mass market, and they're obviously not trying to. The one band theremin was talking about also seemed to have many different varieties of their music. Some of what he posted, he didn't even like as much as some of their other stuff.
When it comes to music, there's almost always someone out there who will appreciate and understand what a band is producing, even if it's different from their old stuff. People grow up, change, mature, have different experiences. And it should, in my opinion, be reflected in their music.
After all, music is created by people, and should be an expression of their soul.
Music is an art, but if you go from Pop Rock to Dance music...uhhhh...that's a bit insane.
You guys over-hype indie music.
where's the hype?
I keep hearing how great so and so is, then when I hear it I'm like BLAH!!!
I think you are wrong on the point that a band should not care about pleasing the fans. They make their money off of John Q. Public. They should always have in their mind that they need to be loyal to the fans AND be creative. Without their fans they are nothing. I'd call bands who totally ignore their fans as sell outs. Lets take Rush for example. They have different sounds from each era. But... You always know it is Rush, because there's always a familiar element. We're not talking about artists who paint portraits here. These are people in the entertainment industry. You alienate your fans, and you are a sell out.
Look at the world in disbelief
You used to follow - now you lead
College has enlightened you
And you are proud to be different
And like different bands - different types
You ain't nobody's fool
It's like certain bands remind you of someone you hated
'Cause they didn't wear the right clothing
And there's only one true fashion
And alot of the bands on the college charts are great bands
Until they get signed. Then you hate them
It's such bull*** - you used to love them you hypocrite
Know it all, know it all - did you really listen to that song?
Could you ever write what you call wrong?
I remember you and I listening to bands that we liked
Only the songs mattered to you
But now you're a D.J. and preaching that hype
"Corporate Rock Sucks"
"You know, college radio enlightens you"
It's supposed to serve as a means to expose new bands
Without prejudice, but it makes no sense
Safe harbor for the underground
'Til the alternative becomes the popular sound
The bands are good 'til they make enough cash
To eat food and get a pad
Then they're sold out and their music is cliché
Because talent's exclusive to bands without pay
Know it all, know it all - Did you really listen to that song?
Could you ever write what you call wrong?
Know it all
-lagwagon
fans are the ones that need to support bands they like. a band should have appreciation for it's fans, but they feel like taking their music in a different direction, fans need to respect that. if they don't like it, they don't have to listen to it. but don't be gay about it.
That was so well put, it makes me wanna make some Slovenian Polka now! Meanwhile, if I may make the plug since our band seems to be back from what I thought was gonna be permanent hiatus & somewhat works into this conversation about not caring what music the public wants you to play (not that we have fans in the first place)... listen to us via http://www.myspace.com/sleepingtreesmusic
"It doesn't matter if I like it. If making music is all simply about being pleased with your own work, then don't sell it."
it only matters if you like it. if other people like it as well it just means you've managed to create something that appeals to a lot of people, and sometimes it means that what you've created is actually good.
Quentin Tarantino lives by this philosophy. he is his own audience. the reason he is successful is because everybody likes his movies, and because they are awesome. if he didn't like them then he wouldn't make them.
making cologne and making music are too different to compare.
Yeah and if the public didn't like them, he'd make less of them because he'd have no funds to make them.
Sorry, but good bands care about their fans. They have balance in what they do. They're creative and loyal to their fans. Sure once in awhile they'll make a subpar album, but that's usually due to a lack of a good groove.
"good groove?" god you're dumb.
that whole comment was just to dumb for words.
do-do-do-do, feelin' groovy
Sorry, I was born in the 70's, not 1989 or 1990 like you. They used terms like that in my childhood.
yeah, well it was a dumb word then, and it's a dumb word now.
here's how i see it, putting out a album that "lacks good groove" as you so idiotically put it is just as likely to not appeal to a fan base as putting out an album that has a different sound to it than the rest of your albums.
I hate you....
You are like a bothersome household bug that needs to be stepped on.
your just angry because nothing you say makes any sense.
Not sure what I said that is ridiculous. I could say lima beans suck and you would have the same rebuttal. I think you just enjoy being a punk.
you're a rebuttal.
You're mom.
you're mom = you are mom.
you just called me your mom. sicko.
Yeah no kidding... I realized that after I posted it. Are you running out of things to nitpick that you have to look at grammar now?
don't worry. i'll never run out of things to make fun of you for.
Lucky me.
I love music forum beef.