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Since moving to PA, I have, of course, noticed many many differences between Long Island and here. I definatly have some prejudices, and don't know how to overcome them or if I even should try.
One of my biggest prejudices, is when I meet new people and begin talking to them and find out: 1-they've never been out of PA, or 2-the most exotic place they've been is Virginia Beach or Florida. I have such a feeling of "these are the lamest people, how boring are they!" I mean I feel bad in one respect because the culture here is so different from what I believe is well cultured Long Island. But the thing that irks me further is when I find out that they have no desire to GO anywhere!
I do understand obviously it costs money to go places, but if you HAVE some extra money, don't buy crap you're gonna be sick of in a couple years, go some place and have the memories last forever!
When I hear, "oh, we just want to settle down and have kids, we're not really travelers"...I don't even want to find out more about them.
I know I sound like a jerk, and I should respect other people's life decisions, but I just think I am so far from that place that I can't even respect it.
So what do you guys think? I don't want to turn this into another 'Kids' debate...(maybe I do, haha) but I feel like that is what it all comes down to...Thoughts?
Oh, one last thing, this is so important to me, that I don't think if my husband had this attitude, I would have married him...I feel like I don't even understand how he turned out so "normal" coming from this mentality...and he has been MANY places...and is interested in checking out the world...hmph.
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i think some of you just like to argue for argument's sake. /sigh
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really?
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this is an argument about what place is more filled with culture?
yikeys
really the correct answer would be "anywhere outside of the US"
haha
i don't know why you are under the impression that people from long island are so "cultured." when i think of people from long island i think of those people that go into those cheesy gift shops while vacationing in vermont, and buy ceramic sculptures of happy ginger bread houses, and thomas kincaid paintings, while dressed in stretch pants, turtle necks, and fur lined jackets and boots...
but that's just me.
Yeah, you are right. A place only 45 minutes from NYC...the greatest, most diverse city in the world, is uncultured. Maybe Hacketstown, NJ is the place REALLY bursting with culture, cause of all the diversity you have there.
uhh, Biff, i live 45 minutes from nyc as well. aaand i never said that hackettstown was cultural.
Well, I've been to Hackettstown many times to make that determination. How many times have you been to LI? (And, you live 45 mins from NYC if you're going 90MPH, maybe)
LI sucks...Deal with it!!
Is your life so boring, that you have to jump into any sort of controversy that exists? I'm pretty sure this conversation has nothing to do with you. THANKS, BYE!
I'm pretty sure you have no sense of humor and need to lighten up. You and Web should go have some honey flavored tea together...
You keep saying people have no sense of humor... maybe you're just not funny.
hahahaha, thank YOU!
I second that statement...
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Awesome! Im glad your using it :D They finally lifted the websense here at work, so I wasnt using it, but once they put the block back on I will have to get back to using it... Im just glad my money isnt being wasted :D
Well, you see...We are not very cultured in H-town, so I guess us back woods folk need some wisom from you LI conisseurs....
Ahhh...I drew out my favorite person....Yes! My day is complete!
You're so creepy.
I aim to please babe!
Eww... god, I wish there was an emoticon for "revulsion".
I think I know why your husband likes you so much. You seem to be an amazing cook and everyone knows the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. Either that or you are amazingly hot and he just wears earplugs. LOL!
What is wrong with you?
I think we should be able to vote people off eZabel. He would be gone, REAL quick.
I don't think Nazi's like you two count. Hahahaha.....
I second that vote Jahanna!!
I say burn you at the stake!!
:oP
Nothing. Just having some fun.
Judges do we have a ruling?
Offsides! Half the distance to the Goal! Repeat First down!
no, his life isn't boring, because he doesn't live in long island or PA. OH!
i've been to LI quite a bit. the only problem is once you go in it is almost impossible to get out. the traffic is pretty much the worst in the world. so it would take you longer to get nyc as well.
also, what do you mean by cultural. it's not like you can go visit ancient ruins in long island. are you really involved in the long island art and independent film community? do you go to the vintage clothing shops. are you an artist of any kind?
Yea, you're right, LI traffic sucks. It's 45 mins by train...no traffic there. By cultural, I mean, it has HUNDREDS of different nationalities. And with that comes a huge variety of restaurants, specialty shops, clothing. That is my biggest interest, and just SEEING different looking people everywhere you go. And actually there are quite a bit of historical sites in Long Island, we had tons of American Indians as well.
I'd take a ranch in Montana over a townhouse in LI anyday. It's like the tower of Babel in this area...
yeah, i like that. I miss that. South jersey mostly has just white folk. ha. It's boring. I love different cultures, languages, etc.
alright, well you get a lot of different nationalities in h-town as well. not HUNDREDS, but long island doesn't have hundreds either. but who cares about that any way. when i walk down the streets of h town i don't get excited everytime i see a spanish person, and say to myself "boy i'm really knee deep in culture now!"
Hahaha...That was awesome!
It is pointless trying to converse with simple minded people.
aaah, but how simple minded would I have to be to converse with you? ah hah! ha ha! can you spell conundrum?
PEOPLE PEOPLE.... we all know the most cultured in the tri-state area is Northern Jersey...
this whole thread was hilarious to read... "ancient ruins", "knee deep in culture", "can you spell conundrum?" hahaha really made me laugh.
ahhhh...
Hey!! We have an unlimited supply of M&M's! So take that!
Tl:dr
but I saw something about travelling.
I believe everyone needs to do it. Where you live.. where you grew up.. it's all just a little ant hill in this giant world.
there's a lot out there!
I have come to the same conclusion that people in PA are from a different mind set. Really though, everyone who lives away from the Tri-State area are like that... If you take a 3 hour radius (3 hours away from NYC) there are probably only a couple of cities in the East Coast that are farther than that radius where you kind find somewhat normal people... Boston and well yeah thats about it... You would think Philly would have a good amount of normal people but the majority of them arent that normal... I only found probably a handful from that area that I can actually hold a conversation with and they keep me amused and interested in what they are saying, but if I meet one more late teen early 20's person talking about just wanting to settle down and have a family or who complains about his/her wife/husband cheating on them, divorcing them (mind you these are all in the truth) I will never get over that stereotype of people in PA are just weird... I know this sounds mean or negative, but Im sure those from around here have observed the same thing...
you ever read a whole entire series of threads in a forum and you're about to rattle off on a million different things and then you say... "y'know? screw this." lol
that's me, right now.
haha, yea i do that...sometimes i'll even start typing and have a paragraph, and realize it's going to turn into a book, and just delete the whole thing and don't respond at all.
However, I am quite interested in your POV now.
see-- this time i skipped weighing in because i thought this was pretty well covered.
I agree with you, in a way, let me explain..
if it's an issue of money, and they have really not been able to save up for an exotic vacation because paying the mortgage etc. is more important, i can't blame them, because I know what that's like and I've known families that never went anywhere because of money reasons
If it's because they're cheap and don't want to spend money on a silly thing like exploring new things - that's ghey
if it's an issue of fear of flying, i can undertand that, haha, flying is scary
but if it's just an issue of being completely non-adventurous, non-spontaneus, and no desire to experience anything new or try new things.... then yeah i don't wanna be friends, but it's a deeper thing than just "oh wow they've never been anywhere", at that point it's just a personality clash.. there's people here in south jersey that have never left this area, have never lived anywhere else, have never had any desire to go anywhere else.... and also are cheap and don't want to spend money on anything exciting or adventurous.... that bothers me. If i have a dollar and I can save it or spend it on a firecracker, i'm gonna get a firecracker, set it off, and have fun for a moment, ya know? LOL
LOL
.. this is why i'm always broke... haha
you know what jahanna, (i almost typed "tina" for some reason"), i feel the exact same way, and I have to fight myself constantly NOT to do that.
I've lived some different places (not that many, but still) I have this knee-jerk reaction of two stages
1. You people are boring, we have nothing in common
2. I don't need any new friends, I already have friends
I basically constantly remind myself that everyone has SOMETHING of value to contribute to a conversation/friendship - it's my job to find out what that is. Maybe someone has a really positive attitude you can draw from. Maybe someone is really dependable. Maybe someone can be your guide to your area and knows interesting information. Maybe someone else always has great return visits you can learn from.
At the very least, you always have the truth and spiritual things to discuss as a common ground. That helps a lot.
No one's asking you to be BEST friends with this type of people, but just to find a way to enjoy yourself. It might take a while to find the friend that enjoys traveling as much as you do - you might never find that person. In the meantime, you'll enjoy yourself as much as possible where you are, and REALLY appreciate when you find a friend who loves traveling and having experiences like you do.
i really appreciated this post, and you're definatly right, i do need to see the good everyone has to offer without just writing people off because of my personal views on things.
I think I should make it my determination to bring a little insanity to Red Lion, PA...make people play frozen turkey football, and eat sushi in the middle of a Tower Records parking lot, and throw donuts at eachother at midnight in the Kingdom Hall parkinglot. Yup, that's what I'll do.
if you want me to come and help, just say the word.
haha, okay! i wanna hang out with you & Lauren it's been so long! Austin is getting together a rafting trip for this summer, anyone who's interested...come join us! I'll let you know the details.
lol the google ads on this page are awesome
On one hand you have Pennsil-tucky....the other Snotsville.....Why would you ever think the two could mix? I happen to hate the Northeast in general. So there.
i still think you're dave elliot
Nah...But him and I used to hang out.
Dave's happily hitched and out in Cali...don't think he's got the Xtra time.
What an ignorant comment. My area of PA is not like Kentucky (been there) it at least has more class than that. And on the other hand calling Long Island snotty is ridiculous....just because people have money and travel and experiance a great variaty of food and culture and people does NOT make them snotty. There are snotty people all over the place.
Did you expect anything less than ignorance from Captain Foot-in-Mouth over there? :P
You and I need to fight now!! I'll tie both arms behind my back to be fair.
I was just trying to be funny. Geez...
haha theres a town inland here in socal thats called "fontana" but its so redneck and jsut the weirdest peeps they call it "fontucky" LOL
You are retarded. I am from PA and there are parts of NJ that I have found to be overflowing with rednecks. Stereotypes are lame.
As far as the traveling goes, look at the positive - you don't need to worry about them holding up the lines at the airport.
There are too many 365 day a year you know whats on here.
lol you're so gonna get it
Someone needed to say it dude. Too many argumentative women in here.
Maybe we're just women that don't tolerate ignorant, immature men. Or one very specific, immature man.
Again I was kidding, Miss Pleasant. And I'm hardly immature. You don't know me. Typing words and actions in real life are two different matters. You'd crumble under the day to day things I deal with judging by how much you complain about your job.
Are you still talking?
Are you still alive?
Again, very mature.
Oh shut up already!!! I'm about to slit my wrists to escape you.
you two are the best part of ezabel
Thank you.... Thank you.... We'll be here all week...
ezabel is officially a kindergarten class.
Isn't it great!! Haha....
don't classify us as argumentative because we speak our mind, the MEN can get just as into it. You need to stop generalizing! CHEEZE!
You called PA people uncultured. Who's being general now....
what i said was that it has a different culture...it has amish & pennsylvania dutch...in my opinion it's boring...but that still isnt what i said.
Someone used the word. I don't know who. But of course the red head gets picked on. It's my lot in life.
You are such a jerk!
haha, i know, i kinda think i am...but at least i'm an honest jerk!
I hate PA too. We're getting out.
haha, i really DON'T hate PA...there are a lot of cool people/friends around & in our hall and stuff, that AREN'T like this...and that is who i gravitate towards...but it's those people that share this mentality that i get annoyed with. (i'm sure there are some in NY too, just a lot less)
Ok, well then I, singularly, hate PA. It's just much less cultural than other areas of the country, which I think is what you're getting at with your journal?
yes, exactly. but where we are i feel like we're still close to a lot of culture.. 45mins to baltimore, an hour to philly 2 1/2 hrs to NYC. so i think that the positive does out weigh the negative..(for us anyway) but i still get annoyed with stuff.
It's annoying that people in your general proximity have no appreciation for culture, right? It's cool to be near it, and go with your man, but I'd never invite any of the ladies/girls from my hall to a wine tasting, you know? They drink wine from boxes.
HAHHA, i know! never did i ever see wine in a box until i moved here..no joke.