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suchgr8heights by suchgr8heightsOG 2003 · Sep 16, 2004 · 631 views

A recent game of truth or dare MAY HAVE or MAY NOT HAVE revealed some insight into the male mind. Apparently there's a deadline in which two friends of the opposite sex feel it is time to determine which way to go : stay friends or "get wit." Truth or...?

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#10 chuggieOG 2003

who plays truth or dare past 15 years old?

ilikebirds #10.1 ilikebirdsOG 2002

It's a great drinking game!

fivezero #10.1.1 fivezeroOG 2003

you said it, brother

socalgal #10.1.2 socalgalOG 2003

HAHAHAHA thai i thought the SAME exact thing bfore i even read your post. LOL

ilikebirds #10.1.2.1 ilikebirdsOG 2002

And whatever happens. Never play the YOU, Me , and Dupree drinking game.

Everytime someone in the movie says " YOu , me, or dupree " shot or i suggest sip something.

it's baaad

coreyfeldman coreyfeldmanOG 2003

that might of actually made that movie bearable.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Aww..I liked that movie.

"Ah, I hurt my little Duprees!"

malibu malibuOG 2001

really it is just the fact that you love owen wilson. hahah. shanghi noon & knights were on the other day and we were at the dinner table and gary starts going, "uno mas?" and moose was like, "no mas gary. no mas"

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

This very well might be the reason; I love me some Wilson brothers.

malibu malibuOG 2001

who doesnt? i recently saw luke wilson filming a skit with three six mafia and all the jackass guys. a lil awkward.

ilikebirds ilikebirdsOG 2002

SHOT!

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#10.1.3 chuggieOG 2003

so is pin the tail on the donkey

thefunkyfresh #9 thefunkyfreshFounder

i'm actually curious about this game of truth or dare. what led u to this conclusion?

suchgr8heights #9.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

it was so long ago lol Let me reach back into my mind. brb :)

suchgr8heights #9.1.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Ok so I think I remember this guy's perspective: When he meets a girl for the first time and becomes friends with her, not too much time elapses before he decides for himself if he wants to remain just friends or pursue something more. Let's say he decides to pursue it, and she is NOT responsive, he basically feels the moment has passed. He continues to remain just friends with her. Only, what if later she starts to have feelings? See what I'm saying?

I think it depends on what the guy's objective is. There are some guys I know that pursue purely platonic friendships with a great amount of girls, with no intention to date them. Others see every girl as a potential relationship and so when the girl doesn't respond, he is on to the next. Make sense? I guess it really depends on the way you do things.

web-toedchloe #8 web-toedchloeOG 2001

It's Freudian - He said that men and women are completely motivated by their libido. The way you speak, walk, talk. I think it depends on whether or not you believe that. It's diffucult to say if even the most commited spouses could be completely platonic with someone else; even if just in their subcontious.

fivezero #8.1 fivezeroOG 2003

i don't think THE MOST COMMITTED SPOUSE could have ONLY a COMPLETELY PLATONIC relationship with another person. someone will come along, at some point, and they will have thoughts. and thats not wrong. it's the actions and the way they let it impact they're marriage that could be a problem. I mean, look at Mike! He's married AND the biggest skirt-chaser on Ezabel.

web-toedchloe #8.1.1 web-toedchloeOG 2001

Yeah... that's what I said.

fivezero #8.1.1.1 fivezeroOG 2003

Totally. I was agreeing.

web-toedchloe web-toedchloeOG 2001

Oh, I'm sorry. It sounded like you were disagreeing. My bad!

juicymango #7 juicymangoOG 2003

I have really great male friends in my life right now - and also there are guys out there that I was friends with as a teenager and we really don't keep in touch anymore but I would still totaly stick up for them like they're my brothers if need be. And I guess it's different because I'm married so there is no chance of anything ever happening but even before that, I always thought that it is possible for a guy and a girl to be just friends if that's what they both really want. Especially if they are both dating or married to other people. It's like having an extra brother. Well that's my opinion.

juicymango #7.1 juicymangoOG 2003

And I know there is a huge double standard when it comes to this because I think it's totaly okay for me to have male friends but i do kinda get jealous of my husband's female friends even though they're my friends too.. haha... but if my husband ever told me he was jealous of my male friends I would be like "WHAAAAAT?!?!??!?!" .. lol.... and I can understand how other guy's girlfriends may not be okay with their boyfriends having female friends... it's a huge double standard and I don't really know why it exists... but it does... soooo i do a little ditty and it's okay

socalgal #7.1.1 socalgalOG 2003

thats so funny because the guys i meet are intimidated of my male bestfriend. I'm like "dude, seriously, if we never hooked up or fell in love when were young and foolish it's not gonna happen now that we're older and wiser" to me its almost incestuous or something.

thatdarngirl #7.1.2 thatdarngirlOG 2002

This double standard definetly exists! I have seen it in action.

fivezero #7.2 fivezeroOG 2003

it's a hairy subject. it just depends on the people. how secure they are with themselves and how their mind works. it's good when a couple has an equally strong and easy going possessivenes of each other. trust and SELF-assurance that you're mate isn't thinking of another person in an improper manner or witholding jokes, fun times, or feelings TO ME is very important. also when you're together with someone for a long time an emotional shorthand is created and you know exactly how far you "stray" from you're mate when hanging with friends. this all could be debated forever though. so many variables.

juicymango #7.2.1 juicymangoOG 2003

yeah. I definitely wouldn't be allwoed to be friends with Maynard. Lol

fivezero #7.2.1.1 fivezeroOG 2003

or Jolie for that matter!

juicymango juicymangoOG 2003

hahaha that's funny. Maynard > Jolie

thefunkyfresh #6 thefunkyfreshFounder

i dont think there should be. But my take anyway, is that if you are becoming close to somebody of the opposite sex, its tough to "just be friends"

hunkpapap #6.1 hunkpapapOG 2003

unless they are insane or ugly. Then it would tough for them to be friends with you because you are so hot...

originalsnob #6.1.1 originalsnobOG 2004

Wow I read this and thought it said insanely ugly.

rocksupastar #6.2 rocksupastarFounder

i disagree, you could have a buncha friends that are girls, its just moving to the point of kicking it to the next level. There are obvious bounderies that you would have like any other kind of relationship.

thefunkyfresh #6.2.1 thefunkyfreshFounder

but when the person is of the opposite sex, there's always that possibility that someday something potentially COULD happen. that's not there with a friend of the same sex (hopefully)

also, one person in this platonic relationship might start to feel one way and the other may not...

or the girl could just be evil and change her mind every single second about what she wants

hunkpapap #6.2.1.1 hunkpapapOG 2003

i think the latter supercedes the former.

malibu #6.3 malibuOG 2001

i defer on this. there are quite a few boys that i have known since i was 7. and we are all really close but neither i nor them have ever developed different feelings for eachother other than friendly feelings. other people can give you odd motives, but i truly know that our realtionshiops are just that of big brother, lil sister. couldnt be anything more.

thefunkyfresh #6.3.1 thefunkyfreshFounder

it's different when you've known somebody since you were little, usually

malibu #6.3.1.1 malibuOG 2001

yeah but even newer guy friends. ya cant just say that they cant be friends because it depends on what each person wants. you may think of just being friends but they aren't.
also, other people have become weird around other sthat they had grown up aroiund. differnet people, different perspecitves.

flomojopoanode flomojopoanodeFounder

It's all based on the people involved.

When you're as outRAGEously handsome as MK, it's hard for any girl to be JUST FRIENDS with him.

malibu malibuOG 2001

hahaha. the thought that you may have actually made that comment and been serious put me in laughing. haha.

thatdarngirl #6.3.2 thatdarngirlOG 2002

Say it with me-- Jesse Hughes lights my fire.

thefunkyfresh #6.3.2.1 thefunkyfreshFounder

hahaha

beachbum #6.3.2.2 beachbumOG 2002

hahahaha whooooa. what's this? hmm....

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

It's a game. We had to take a guy's name that we've known for a loooong time and view as just a friend (and could never possibly view otherwise) and admit our undying love and lust for him.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

Example:
Brad Bell is sooooooo hott!!

[]It has more of a kick when you say it out loud[]

malibu malibuOG 2001

and it wasnt just that. it was like brad bell is so hott that i want to take all his hair and make myself a coat for warmth and to smell like him when not around. hahahaha., such ghey stuff. hysterical in my opinon though.

thefunkyfresh thefunkyfreshFounder

ugh, lol... he does have the austin powers chest hair going on

malibu malibuOG 2001

its not just austin powers. its much more like chewbacca, the wookie. fully covering hair all over his body.

beachbum beachbumOG 2002

hahahaha that is so funny. i don't think i would ever be able to play that game. i couldn't even bring myself to jokingly say that about some of my long time guy friends. i would gag

malibu #6.3.2.3 malibuOG 2001

hahhahahah i totally forgot about that game!!!! we could never say it without breaking into hysterics. did you ever do it right? jesse hughes blah blah blah. great game. it still is really funny.

thatdarngirl thatdarngirlOG 2002

I am actually very good at this game!

socalgal #6.4 socalgalOG 2003

isn't it better to be "just friends" with that person than nothing at all?

thefunkyfresh #6.4.1 thefunkyfreshFounder

sometimes that's an impossibility

rocksupastar #6.4.1.1 rocksupastarFounder

thats why matt keeps his distance from me, he told me it would hurt to much to hang out ... i dunno... hes got problems...

thefunkyfresh thefunkyfreshFounder

mike... you are literally a fag

literally. like you literally want to meet other gays and literally do gay things with them

fivezero fivezeroOG 2003

hahahaha, the word literally totally makes me think mike is gay. perfect.

socalgal socalgalOG 2003

so his marriage was jsut a cover up??? tsk tsk tsk

rocksupastar rocksupastarFounder

i LITERALLY find this comment soo funny, hahahahahahha

i mod it wishful thinking... sorry my limp wristed friend... dont swing like that.

tinser #5 tinserOG 2002

i don't get it...i feel like i don't read english, because i totally don't get this journal...can somebody explain it slowly to me?

socalgal #5.1 socalgalOG 2003

a male and a female are friends. sometimes these good friends hook-up, sometimes they do not. in this entry, gr8heights was wondering if there is a "stop" point from these friends turning the friendship into a relationship.

suchgr8heights #5.1.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Yes that's what I'm getting at..thank you!

tinser #5.1.2 tinserOG 2002

like a "we can't talk as much or hang out as much" point?

suchgr8heights #5.1.2.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Yes, like that.

tinser tinserOG 2002

aww, you edited it! haha, it makes more sense now

and....i've never really been put in that situation or known people who have...so, now that i get it, i've got nothing insightful to say, haha

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003

:o) It's all good.

superhero superheroOG 2004

yes you have. you've been in that position. i've seen it. i've chaperoned you, remember ... ?

tinser tinserOG 2002

hmm, i'll ez msg ya

specialk specialkOG 2003

Yeah you have.....didn't you do that to my brother?

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kingadrockOG 2004

I dont like getting involved in conversations like this I just like reading about it. However, if your in the truth and you spend that much time with a member of the opposite sex shouldnt it be with something long term in mind. I am down with having opposite sex friends, but if both are good lookin as Birds said, something will/may happen anyway. Also like in socal girls case if she hangs out with a good looking guy that is really hot and everyone thinks they are a couple who is going to be interested in her from a guys point of view, all the other guys are going to be thinking she has a real hot best friend and they talk and have fun, how can I compete with that.

Yes I do believe something should be set in time, or at least mentioned cause eventually one or both will meet someone they do like and someone will get hurt if the other is waiting for something to happen

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003

the best comment EVER in this thread...

socalgal socalgalOG 2003

this is great and you do make valid points. thank you!

there is a problem with brothers not liking me having a guy as a best friend. thats insecurity to me. if he's too insecure to know that my friend and i are just friends its not worth my time because he's jumping the gun and not getting to know me.

take it if he's a little insecure, gets to know me, and realizes there's nothing going on between my friend and i, then thats a secure brother to me because he's not letting anything stand in the way of getting to know me and that rules in my book!

specialk specialkOG 2003

Exactly. There's no big rule that says because you are a girl, you have to have a girl best friend. Sometimes you just click better with guys, even though there isn't a romantic link there.

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Well, is there nothing between you two??? You sure? Sometimes other guys are insecure but sometimes it's a good defense mechanism...no one wants to get hurt finding out later you actually were feelin your best. A guy backed up from me because I seemed too comfy with my guy friend and good thing cuz he was right.

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kingadrockOG 2004 suchgr8heights

One problem, your husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend SHOULD BE your best friend.

If you have a best friend of the opposite sex, thats a great place to start if your looking for someone, half the job is already done.

It has nothing to do with insecurity on my part, only thing is if I date/marry someone I want to be her best friend, I want the inside jokes, the old school stories. I wanna know her likes and dislikes, her favorite movies and songs. I dont want to have to start way behind some other guy who already knows these things.

specialk specialkOG 2003 kingadrock

I agree on that. My husband is by far, my absolute best friend, and vice versa.
But what if a girl has a guy best friend for YEARS, and then meets a random guy? She doesn't know yet if she's gonna marry him, or even date him. Does that mean that she automatically has to give up her current best friend because she could potentially have a relationship with the random guy?
Now, if a relationship were to develop between the girl and random guy, THEN I could forsee the guy best friend maybe taking second place to the new guy. Because you're right...a husband and wife should be best friends.
Of course, I have a couple different "best friends" outside of my husband. I wouldn't neccessarily tell them EVERYTHING I would tell my husband, but my "close friends" are typically my "best friends."

And I'm done rambling now, hahaha.

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kingadrockOG 2004 specialk

I am not saying you have to give up your best friends for your husband/wife. The original question was
"Apparently there's a deadline in which two friends of the opposite sex feel it is time to determine which way to go : stay friends or "get wit.""
I am saying if you have a best friend of the opposite sex you should discuss these things, even if you dont feel something for the person he might feel that way for you. Also being someone's best friend is a great start for a relationship, and you may say well your going to lose your friend that way if it doesnt work out, well odds are you will lose him/her anyway when one of you do meet someone, its just nature.

Let me pose this question, how would you feel if you were at a party or something with a guy your seeing and his best friend (a girl) is there and they are laughing and joking and talking about things you have no idea about making you feel left out, and BTW - Shes also hot. I know this, if a guy is my best friend i know there are serious feelings there, like Peter and Jesus, how much more so with someone of the opposite sex. Sometimes you you have to check yourself and make sure your not playing with yours or his emotions.

specialk specialkOG 2003 kingadrock

Oh absolutely....I'm not disagreeing with you at all. i was just trying to bring up a side point, and pose a "what if" scenario as well.

Personally, if that party scenario happened to me, no, I wouldn't like it at all. I've been in similar situations and it's no fun, you're right.

socalgal socalgalOG 2003 kingadrock

oh yes, i totally agree. i'm not saying that the one i marry isn't going to take over the best friend position. I never make my boyfriends feel left out or anything like that. they totally have my attention 110%. Never have i ever made them feel uncomfortable nor uncertain of my feelings.

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003 kingadrock

I love this, what you're saying. Where have you been?? Good use of the "how much more so" lol you're right, I've learned this lesson recently. It takes self-awareness.

So I guess there needs to be discussion on this matter with him...and sort of "where are we going to go from here" and I guess it's not a DEADline because I'm thinking now if the friendship remains as is, there may be check points along the way...until the finish line where he finds someone, or I find someone or we find eachother...

malibu malibuOG 2001 kingadrock

and plus at first, they can't know all the inside jokes. it first has to be explained to them and then they'll know it all. but at first they're gonna feel weird.

socalgal socalgalOG 2003 suchgr8heights

LOL it's serious. we've never had feelings for each other. it would be incestuous. LOL my ex always looked at it this way: if we NEVER hooked up when we were young with horomones in FULL rage, even when we'd be drunk partying (we were both worldly for a while) then there was never a chance that we would ever hook up later in life.

I'm so not "typical" and i am very picky. jsut because he has looks doesn't mean he's "husband" material. I know what i want in a man and he doesn't fit what i am looking for. so it's all aobut him being the brother i never had

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003 socalgal

:) fully understood.

hunkpapap hunkpapapOG 2003

Yeah i think if you meet a girl and you like her then you owe it to yourself to find out more. If she seems like she is friendly with a guy and theres no intimacy and she seems friendly with you when you two speak/hang out, etc.. Then see but do so with a caution.

I was in this situation once and it seemed like a three-way race when i had it wrong and the particular woman liked only me but was sweet and shy. So there were other guys she was nice to but didn't like and wouldn't tell them to get lost, until, of course, she began dating.

So you never know, but remember there is a loss/hearbreak factor, because, "There's always another guy, that's already caught her eye. He's supposed to just be a friend, but he's been there when she cried." So you and your insticts may be right, but they may not...

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kingadrockOG 2004 hunkpapap

True dat pap pap. No one ever thinks about the person that got hurt. She starts dating someone else and he sits home crying. Its like Duckie from Pretty in Pink he was always there for her, but she never thought of him like that and then she dates the other guy and he gets seriously hurt.
It's true none of us want to get hurt by taking the risk on someone we think is a friend but the truth is always the best course.

socalgal socalgalOG 2003 kingadrock

its the same with a female friend, not just male. she's seen you cry, she's been there for you and has seen you at your worst. so whether its male or female, there was always someone before you.

BUT that's the fun of a new romance. you get to start your own "inside jokes" sharing of frustrations, etc. but its something you build, something that doesn't come automatic.

it's all a gamble.

tinser tinserOG 2002

hmm, no...i take it that she's saying if two people are really good friends and see each other and talk to each other all the time, then they have to make a choice to cut back on that talking, or get together.

specialk specialkOG 2003

Oh, my bad. What you did was worse....got it.

tinser tinserOG 2002

value your opinion...not

specialk specialkOG 2003 tinser

Wow....guess we can't take a little harmless joking around? It's not good to take things so seriously.

specialk specialkOG 2003 specialk

Seriously Courtney...it was just a little harmless, innocent ribbing. Sorry if you took it as otherwise, but don't get worked up over it.
I'd certainly not discuss that whole issue out in the open...hahaha....that would be silly.

tinser tinserOG 2002 specialk

okay, it's cool

fivezero fivezeroOG 2003 specialk

No, that would be entertaining! I think it SHOULD be out in the open, because my imagination is SPEEDING! I always knew Tinser was a salty dog! A wreckless heart breaker! Bahaha!

specialk specialkOG 2003 fivezero

No....I'm not like that. I understand the fascination, but I have to leave your imagination to go crazy. Sorry for the disappointment.

superhero superheroOG 2004 specialk

that was, without a doubt, the cattiest thing i've ever seen from courtney ... wow

specialk specialkOG 2003 superhero

Wait...what she did or what she said?

fivezero #5.2 fivezeroOG 2003

honestly, theres are too many asides. the point is obscured. i'm her BRO and i don't fully understand whats going on. i'm thinking maybe she's talking about her self.

suchgr8heights #5.2.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

"Were you just in there?" Dude, where's your coherence? and yes I happen to be in a kind of sim situation but what really made me wonder was what my friend said, how after a while of just being friends with a girl, if he had the slightest interest in her he throws it out and that's it. Just moves on, no longer chooses to see her in that light. Has anyone done that?

socalgal #5.2.1.1 socalgalOG 2003

i can totally see how the attraction can develop. you're with this friend a lot, know the ins and outs of him. if you 2 were both attracted to each other its jsut like being attracted with any other joe schmo. throw it out there if your interested in him, if you're really good friends, he won't be weirded out or anything or if you feel he's attracted to you as more than friends, approach him. if you both don't wannna go "there" then just leave as is.

if you 2 were meant to be more than friends it'll happen, when the time is right....w/o a dealine.

originalsnob #4 originalsnobOG 2004

I've heard of this...one sister and her good friend decided if neither was married by a certain age, why not take the plunge together.

In my opinion not the brightest idea.

sunshyne #4.1 sunshyneOG 2004

not at all...who wants to be second best? "oh i couldnt find anyone i really liked so youll do"?!

socalgal #4.2 socalgalOG 2003

kind of like that movie my best friends wedding

sunshyne #4.3 sunshyneOG 2004

if you cant be with the one you love
love the one your with

hunkpapap #4.4 hunkpapapOG 2003

that sounds like an "i like you but i'm not gutsy enough to say it so how about i tell you a few years from now" situation...

suchgr8heights #4.5 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Well I didn't really mean that exactly...I mean like you're friends with a guy for a while, maybe he likes you but you're not sure. Maybe you like him but you're not sure. If you don't drop any hints because you're content at the moment does the guy tend to just say "Well if we're not gonna go for it then, that's it. We'll just continue to be friends forever and nothing more."? This is one guy's opinion and I'm trying to discern if it's universal.

hunkpapap #3 hunkpapapOG 2003

i don't think there is a deadline. But i do think that sometimes if nothing happens one person can get impatient and lose interest. In which case it wasn't meant to be anyway..

ilikebirds #2 ilikebirdsOG 2002

If he is hot and she is hot... Something WILL happen
If she is hot and he is NOT... Something MIGHT happen
If she is not hot and he is HOT...Most Likely Won't Happen

AMENDMENT :
If she is NOT hot and he is NOT HOT... Something MIGHT HAPPEN
If she is a sad Panda and he is TY... MOST DEFINATELY WILL HAPPEN

suchgr8heights #2.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

profound...not exactly the way we'd like to think it should be but I think you've kinda got a point here.

ilikebirds #2.1.1 ilikebirdsOG 2002

yup. it's not sugar coated or anything. not how you want the world to work.. but there's no denying the truth.

socalgal #2.2 socalgalOG 2003

dude, no way!!! won't happen even if they are both hot.

ilikebirds #2.2.1 ilikebirdsOG 2002

If you've thought it... you did it

socalgal #2.2.1.1 socalgalOG 2003

my male best friend and i have NEVER thought of each other that way. he's a totally good looking guy too. People who don't know us compliment on what a good looking couple we are and we laugh and say "we're jsut friends" and we've never thought of each other that way.

suchgr8heights suchgr8heightsOG 2003

during that truth or truth game my guy friend was saying if you've kept it on a friendship level for a long amount of time, the deadline has passed for interest to be developed.

ilikebirds ilikebirdsOG 2002

maybe he likes me

socalgal socalgalOG 2003

hmmmm.....nah...

ilikebirds ilikebirdsOG 2002

maybe he likes pandas

socalgal socalgalOG 2003

awww, i like pandas

hunkpapap #2.3 hunkpapapOG 2003

Dude, you've NEVER seen a butt ugly couple?

suchgr8heights #2.3.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

yea, where's the love?

If he is NOT hot and she is NOT hot...it's in the bag

hunkpapap #2.3.1.1 hunkpapapOG 2003

ugly people need lovin too..

ilikebirds #2.3.2 ilikebirdsOG 2002

more things in common between you two. GO FOR IT

ilikebirds #2.4 ilikebirdsOG 2002

point is.. you'll quicker see a hot chick run to her friends and say " i got a new boyfriend.. he's so sweet, funny, caring.. but he's not a great looker" to her girlfriends

but you WON'T see a guy run to his guy friends and say " oh man.. she's so nice, and sweet, she treats me right.. but she's ugly "....

suchgr8heights #2.4.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Ty, you're throwin' it down on this one. *applause*

socalgal #2.4.2 socalgalOG 2003

BUT if shes got a fake rack....a decent bod and a TOTALLY ugly face you'll see a HOT guy go for an ugly chick like that

suchgr8heights #2.4.2.1 suchgr8heightsOG 2003

Totally...seen it happen a zillion times

ilikebirds #2.4.2.2 ilikebirdsOG 2002

well thats different. A guy still isnt' gonna call her a GIRLFRIEND..

he's gonna call her a Quick fix

malibu #2.4.3 malibuOG 2001

this is totally a sinbab sketch. he talks about women can be proud of their men no matter what but guys are so shallow they be married 20 years and still say they're only friends if their wife is ugly.

socalgal #2.4.3.1 socalgalOG 2003

HAHAHA and they have selective hearing! lol

socalgal #1 socalgalOG 2003

I really don't think there's a "deadline" per se, but there are certain situations that you'll find yourself in that test whether your friends for life

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