a. i didn't see this as speculation...i was just stimulating comments about the upcoming war. iraq doesn't seem to fit in with dan 11:44, 45. anyway, i don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the possibilities of prophecy.
yea there's something wrong with it. it's seculation.
It is speculation. Who are you to "Stimulate discussion"? I think what you're doing could more appropriately be referred to as fomenting some kind of heated debate. Did Jesus discuss the wars of his contemporaries? Your article has no positive point of view. It's not "discussing the possibilities of prophecy", it's tring to pinpoint the names and entities involved in that prophecy. THAT is not the objective of the prophecy itself. As I said, we know this is the last days, and the possible war may be a sign or not, but really, what good does discussing it in a forum like this serve? What if someone new in the truth passed through and saw this article? Or what if someone's unbelieving parent or mate saw it? It is really a good witness? Where is it recommended that we should tell OUR viewpoints to those we meet out in service? This is the same idea.
hmm. in fact, jesus did discuss current events that happened in his day (such as the tower that fell on some people in Galilee and killed them). And he told his disciples to keep a close eye on current events- like when the Roman armies surrouded Jerusalem. Should the Christians ignored the armies like the Jews did? Jesus said "When you hear of wars and REPORTS of wars". This, my friend, is a report. Opinion- that's a separate subject. But true Christians keep a sharp eye on world events (as Jesus and his disciples did) and look for fulfillment of prophecy.
for instance, The Nazi Regime was predicted in the book of Daniel. Should the Witnesses then ignored that?
yes Jesus discussed current events, and we can do the same, but we shouldn't speculate on the meaning or significance of things happening around us. everything we see going on is proof that we are living in the last days. the governing body keeps us informed and to date with everything we need to know. for example, for those of us in the tristate area, remember how quickly we received a letter that was read at the hall about September 11th. if recent world events have special prophetic significance we will find out when it's necessary.
lets all go back to talking about poland and vietnam... that was more fun. geez. i speculate that dave is a moron. and ryan likes cats.
im with thai on this one. ryan likes cats a little too much
I speculate that you don't like all of this speculative talk? Do you concur?
u trying 2b cool?
problem is , he's already too cool.
i don't see that as a problem...
I agree. Jesus gave his disciples specific events to watch for, but we have only "Wars and reports of Wars", not "War with Iraq." That's the difference.
But when Hitler took power, should anyone not in the governing body have said, "This is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel"? My point is it's not ours to decide what's a fulfillment and what's not.
gen 40:8...i never said that 'this equals that'...i'm not 'deciding' what is a fulfillment and what is not. i don't see anything wrong with using our mental faculties to reason on current events.
You're right, I wasn't thinking about it the right way.
thanks dan...good references
I'm agreeing with webby on this. Like my co said, we could drive ourselves totally insane trying to figure out what's going to happen, and who the king of the north is/will be. I'm not saying that I never think about it, but the most important thing is to look at what's happening and that should motivate us more to go and tell more people about the truth and try to save as many people as we can.